Haha, the pinefox otm
― Radio Boradman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://twitter.com/finnegansreader
^Shortly after finding the twitter I found a really lovely looking paperbk on Viking Press just yesterday (although it has a 'embodying all author's corrections' which did make me laugh) so now I have a copy.
Funny how that twitter account makes the wake an everyday thing.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 March 2015 10:55 (nine years ago) link
I have at least _looked_ at every page of Ulysses, and more than half of the pages in FW. But I don't think any of Joyce is just one joke, and even when Joyce is joking I doubt he's ever "just" joking.
I suspect the Joycean impulse is more like: This be the jokeyjoke that hath occurred to me whan I found meself besat on this ineluctable shore-rock whilst thinkin this ineluctable series of thoughts. Begob and videlicet, yr man can't be expected to be shiftin out which bits are important from which bits arrrent.
This is one strain of high modernism: The jokes stay, and the Latin stays, as stay the dhrinkin and the fookin. If anything is omitted, so is the magic, which is contained in the weft of the thoughts recorded in the text. Perhaps Twitter is as good as any a way to read that kind of collage.
Nabokov is a different creature. Not so sloppy, but also not so warm. There's plenty of fun in Pale Fire, but all of it was put there intentionally, as a chisel-mark by a meticulous sculptor.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 30 March 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.waywordsandmeansigns.com/
― ☂ (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
Earwicker, that patternmind, that paradigmatic ear, receptoretentive as his of Dionysius, longsuffer- ing although whitening under restraint in the sititout corner of his conservatory, behind faminebuilt walls, his thermos flask and ripidian flabel by his side and a walrus whiskerbristle for a tusk- pick, compiled, while he mourned the flight of his wild guineese, a long list (now feared in part lost) to be kept on file of all abusive names he was called (we have been compelled for the rejoicement of foinne loidies ind the humours of Milltown etcetera by Joseph- ine Brewster in the collision known as Contrastations with Inker- mann and so on and sononward, lacies in loo water, flee, celestials, one clean turv): Firstnighter, Informer, Old Fruit, Yellow Whigger, Wheatears, Goldy Geit, Bogside Beauty, Yass We've Had His Badannas, York's Porker, Funnyface, At Baggotty's Bend He Bumped, Grease with the Butter, Opendoor Ospices, Cainandabler, Ireland's Eighth Wonderful Wonder, Beat My Price, Godsoilman, Moonface the Murderer, Hoary Hairy Hoax, Midnight Sunburst, Remove that Bible, Hebdromadary Publocation, Tummer the Lame the Tyrannous, Blau Clay, Tight before Teatime, Read Your Pantojoke, Acoustic Disturbance, Thinks He's Gobblasst the Good Dook of Ourguile, W.D.'s Grace, Gibbering Bayamouth of Dublin, His Farther was a Mundzucker and She had him in a Growler, Burnham and Bailey, Artist, Unworthy of the Homely Protestant Religion, Terry Cotter, You're Welcome to Waterfood, signed the Ribbonmen, Lobsterpot Lardling, All for Arthur of this Town, Hooshed the Cat from the Bacon, Leathertogs Donald, The Ace and Deuce of Paupering, O'Reilly's Delights to Kiss the Man behind the Borrel, Magogagog, Swad Puddlefoot, Gouty Ghibeline, Loose Luther, Hatches Cocks' Eggs, Muddle the Plan, Luck before Wedlock, I Divorce Thee Husband, Tanner and a Make, Go to Hellena or Come to Connies, Piobald Puffpuff His Bride, Purged out of Burke's, He's None of Me Causin, Barebarean, Peculiar Person, Grunt Owl's Facktotem, Twelve Months Aristocrat, Lycanthrope, Flunkey Beadle Vamps the Tune Letting on He's Loney, Thunder and Turf Married into Clandorf, Left Boot Sent on Approval, Cumberer of Lord's Holy Ground, Stodge Arschmann, Awnt Yuke, Tommy Furlong's Pet Plagues, Archdukon Cabbanger, Last Past the Post, Kennealey Won't Tell Thee off Nancy's Gown, Scuttle to Cover, Salary Grab, Andy Mac Noon in Annie's Room, Awl Out, Twitchbratschballs, Bombard Street Bester, Sublime Porter, A Ban for Le King of the Burgaans and a Bom for Ye Sur of all the Ruttledges, O'Phelim's Cutprice, And at Number Wan Wan Wan, What He Done to Castlecostello, Sleeps with Feathers end Ropes, It is Known who Sold Horace the Rattler, Enclosed find the Sons of Fingal, Swayed in his Falling, Wants a Wife and Forty of Them, Let Him Do the Fair, Apeegeequanee Chimmuck, Plowp Goes his Whastle, Ruin of the Small Trader, He — — Milkinghoneybeaverbrooker, Vee was a Vindner, Sower Rapes, Armenian Atrocity, Sickfish Bellyup, Edomite, — 'Man Devoyd of the Commoner Characteristics of an Irish Nature, Bad Humborg, Hraabhraab, Coocoohandler, Dirt, Miching Daddy, Born Burst Feet Foremost, Woolworth's Worst, Easyathic Phallusaphist, Guiltey- pig's Bastard, Fast in the Barrel, Boose in the Bed, Mister Fatmate, In Custody of the Polis, Boawwll's Alocutionist, Deposed, but anar- chistically respectsful of the liberties of the noninvasive individual, did not respond a solitary wedgeword beyond such sedentarity, though it was as easy as kissanywhere for the passive resistant in the booth he was in to reach for the hello gripes and ring up Kim- mage Outer 17.67, because, as the fundamentalist explained, when at last shocked into speech, touchin his woundid feelins in the fuchsiar the dominican mission for the sowsealist potty was on at the time and he thought the rowmish devowtion known as the howly rowsary might reeform ihm, Gonn.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 08:26 (eight years ago) link
#poll
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 08:29 (eight years ago) link
"Miching Daddy" has always intrigued me as something in the dark, love the musical ones like "Flunkey Beadle Vamps the Tune Letting on He's Loney"
take any one of the atoms of the book out like this and look at it is the best argument for how wonderful the whole is
― some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2016 09:17 (eight years ago) link
Yes. I follow the twitter account and seeing that on the timeline - mostly ignore it but every now and then something like this comes up and its perfect. Turning out to be a good way to skim thru.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:02 (eight years ago) link
I want this list to be read by Ms Doyle
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:03 (eight years ago) link
That's so weird, I randomly opened it & read that exact passage the other day
― Kevin Ageusia Smith (wins), Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:07 (eight years ago) link
reading that is very dispiriting if you've just finished your own experimental novel
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:56 (eight years ago) link
There was a brief period when I felt like the Wake exhausted the possibilities for fiction after it but no way, if anything it celebrates the exhaustlessness of language
― some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:04 (eight years ago) link
I never feel like that with Joyce at all, and FW isn't really fiction.
That passage is more like a Rabelasian feast.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:33 (eight years ago) link
pynchon's disgusting candy drill + alliterative feast at either end of gravity's rainbow were just standing on these shoulders huh
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:48 (eight years ago) link
Is that the only book you've read?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:50 (eight years ago) link
yeah! pretty impressive isn't it
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:51 (eight years ago) link
maybe you should get out more. Sun is shining.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link
try and find a passage from FW that evinces that sentiment idk
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:00 (eight years ago) link
maybe you should: 2nd book for you to read.
A third: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Just-One-Day-Adventures-Britpop-ebook/dp/B008EMAL4G/ref=la_B001H6QKQ4_1_1/278-3832172-6854343?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461239689&sr=1-1
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:02 (eight years ago) link
reading that is very dispiriting if you've just finished your own Britpop memoir
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:28 (eight years ago) link
I must correct here to your own EXPERIMENTAL Britpop memoir #binAndBurnThatFucker
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link
'the interior world of noel gallagher' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most published experimental fiction
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link
Experimental Britpop - not an ILM thread yet?
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
mansun have like 3 threads!!!
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
your experimental novel is Mansun slash fic isn't it?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:42 (eight years ago) link
shhhhh
― And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:43 (eight years ago) link
oh sure I was v callow and wrong and full of wrong-headed notions about form and genre when I had those thoughts
― some men just want to watch the world Bern (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2016 12:53 (eight years ago) link
We were all young once.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link
https://tune.pk/video/5311874/father-ted-mrs-doyle-guessing-the-name
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link
I think a couple of my relatives are in there.
― Romeo Daltrey (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
It's the other greatest Irish listmaker who inspires the Father Ted name-guessing - similar scene in the 3rd Policeman
― woof, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link
but i just keep staring at that list
Left Boot Sent on Approval
― woof, Thursday, 21 April 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link
similar scene in the 3rd Policeman
Right, read it years ago but I don't remember much about it - apart from how it made me feel. Got to read that again.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 07:56 (eight years ago) link
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― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
siiiiiick
― carly rae jetson (thomp), Friday, 22 April 2016 08:43 (eight years ago) link
[found it]'Do you recall that you told me that I was not here at all because I had no name and that my personality was invisible to the law?''I said that.''Then how can I be hanged for a murder, even if I did commit it and there is no trial or preliminary proceedings, no caution administered and no hearing before a Commissioner of the Public Peace?'[...]Then he spoke.'Are you completely doubtless that you are nameless?' he asked.'Positively certain.''Would it be Mick Barry?''No.''Charlemange O'Keeffe?''No.''Sir Justin Spens?''Not that.''Kimberley?''No.''Bernard Farm?''No.''Joseph Poe or Nolan?''No.''One of the Garvins or the Moynihans?''Not them.''Rosencranz O'Dowd?''No.''Would it be O'Benson?''Not O'Benson.''The Quigleys, The Mulrooneys or the Hounimen?''No.''The Hardimen or the Merrimen?''Not them.''Peter Dundy?''No.''Scratch?''No.''Lord Brad?''Not him.''The O'Growneys, the O'Roartys or the Finnehys?''No.''That is an amazing piece of denial and denunciation,'he said.He passed the red cloth over his face again to reduce the moisture.'An astonishing parade of nullity,' he added.'My name is not Jenkins either,' I vouchsafed.'Roger MacHugh?''Not Roger.''Sitric Hogan?''No.''Not Conroy?''No.''Not O'Conroy?''Not O'Conroy.''There are very few more names that you could have, then,' he said.
― woof, Friday, 22 April 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link
That's so good, thanks!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:07 (eight years ago) link
But to go back to the Joyce, how many racehorses have been named from that list? "Tight before Teatime" has surely been taken up by now.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:10 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=see3U9uUeZ4
― mahb, Friday, 22 April 2016 09:13 (eight years ago) link
The child, a natural child, thenown by the mnames of, (aya!aya!), wouldbewas kidnapped at an age of recent probably,possibly remoter; or he conjured himself from seight by slideat hand; for which thetheatron is a lemoronage; at milch-goat fairmesse; in full dogdhis; sod on a fall; pat; the hunderingblundering dunderfunder of plundersundered manhood; behold,he returns; renascenent; fincarnate; still foretold around the hearth-side; at matin a fact; hailed chimers' ersekind; foe purmanant,fum in his mow; awike in wave risurging into chrest; victis poenishesternis; fostfath of solas; fram choicest of wiles with warmenand sogns til Banba, burial aranging; under articles thirtynine ofthe reconstitution; by the lord's order of the canon consecrand-able; earthlost that we thought him; pesternost, the noneknownworrier; from Tumbarumba mountain; in persence of wholelandslots; forebe all the rassias; sire of leery subs of dub; the Dig-gins, Woodenhenge, as to hang out at; with spawnish oel full hisangalach; the sousenugh; gnomeosulphidosalamermauderman; thebig brucer, fert in fort; Gunnar, of The Gunnings, Gund; oneof the two or three forefivest fellows a bloke could in holidaycrowd encounter; benedicted be the barrel; kilderkins, lids off; aroache, an oxmaster, a sort of heaps, a pamphilius, a vintivatniviceny, a hygiennic contrivance socalled from the editor; thethick of your thigh; you knox; quite; talking to the vicar's joyand ruth; the gren, woid and glue been broking by the maybolegards; he; when no crane in Elga is heard; upout to speak thislay; without links, without impediments, with gygantogyres,with freeflawforms; parasama to himself; atman as evars; whomotherwise becauses; no puler as of old but as of young a palatin;whitelock not lacked nor temperasoleon; though he appears afunny colour; stoatters some; but a quite a big bug after thedahlias; place inspectorum sarchent; also the hullow chyst ex-cavement; astronomically fabulafigured; as Jambudvispa Vipraforesaw of him; the last half versicle repurchasing his pawnedword; sorensplit and paddypatched; and pfor to pfinish our pfunof a pfan coalding the keddle mickwhite; sure, straight, slim,sturdy, serene, synthetical, swift.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
#Trumps1stYearAtHogwarts pic.twitter.com/aGMZcVLWOH— wint (@dril) January 19, 2018
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6CHq9mXkJ8
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 February 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
The crisp of the crackling is in the chawing.Give us an-other cup of your scald.Santos Mozos!That was a damn good cup of scald!You could trot a mouse on it.I ingoyed your pick of hissing hot luncheon fine, I did, than’ awfully, (sublime!)— Finnegans Wake (@finnegansreader) June 19, 2019
got a massive idiotic laugh attack from "a cup of scald". It has give me this image of some congenial host pouring some boiling wine straight from a kettle.
― calzino, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:30 (five years ago) link
:) we should make this a permanent ilx FW reading group
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:38 (five years ago) link
I'd definitely like to try tackling it. It's about 3 years ago to the day that I last attempted it.
― frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 08:57 (five years ago) link
I'm in
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:00 (five years ago) link
To be read alongside Tōru Takemitsu's riverrun and a way a lone.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:02 (five years ago) link
xxp cant believe you’ve never heard this extremely auld wan from Dublin phrase!But yeah, I’m in!
― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:02 (five years ago) link
Altho this online annotated edition is coming along nicely http://finwake.com/01/01.htm there's something distracting to me in superabundant footnotes, even tho they add thoughts and knowledge i didn't possess already
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:06 (five years ago) link
Some contemporaneous secondary reading material:
https://zehfilardo.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/our-exagmination-round-his-factification-for-incamination-of-work-in-progress-searcheable.pdf
(Work in Progress was Finnegans Wake's working title).
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:07 (five years ago) link
i love Takemitsu so yes yes
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:07 (five years ago) link
e) maybe we should just follow the Twitter reader more diligently on here for a while and pull at the threads it throws up
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:31 (five years ago) link
How far in is the twitter?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:36 (five years ago) link
Brb, going to remedy my ailing German and Italian, pick up proper Ancient Greek and Latin then dabble in Irish Gaelic, Norwegian and Old English before reattempting to read the whole thing, bemoaning my lack of Sanskrit and Hebrew all the while.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:39 (five years ago) link
From my infrequent use of Twitter i think the account i follow tosses up excerpts at random, not necessarily reading from "beginning" to "end"
I mean that's not inappropriate
But another aspect of that knot i was talking about is that reading FW as atomised chunks feels as wrong as it's right, it's doing the book a disservice to imagine it's not moving or goung anywhere even if where it goes is an endless return
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:41 (five years ago) link
That account does do it from beginning to end, one passage at 10 min intervals.
If you want to know where it is just Google the passage.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:43 (five years ago) link
ah right. Good. riverrun.
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 09:44 (five years ago) link
Delmore Schwartz’s cat
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link
I was wacthing a thing on Joyce on the i-Player last night (presented by Angelica Houston, obv.). No-one on it really speaks up for FW.
― fetter, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:39 (five years ago) link
Huston presumably got the gig cause of the dead
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link
Yes and it was bad bad. Only liked Frank McGuiness' comments iirc
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:53 (five years ago) link
b) i got no idea what form a reading group might take or how we might proceed - but those aren't reasons not to do it
― govussy blues (gyac), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:18 (five years ago) link
We could probably do Book 1 on a section by section basis. That'll be untenable later on but it's a way to start.
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:20 (five years ago) link
From googling it seems the twitterfeed is on page 458. Anyone have any thoughts on that page?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:23 (five years ago) link
From Chapter 3, Episode II. Good episode. With the crackling and the chawing and all that.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:27 (five years ago) link
If you’ve been enjoying the #Bloomsday Words & Music on @BBCRadio3 this afternoon, listen out for our programme on Tuesday: we get caught up in Finnegans Wake. @DrMatthewSweet with Eimear McBride @FaberBooks, @FinnFordham @NellLybeck https://t.co/gJlhOOe1bs— BBC Free Thinking (@BBCFreeThinking) June 16, 2019
Listening to this last night
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 20 June 2019 07:29 (five years ago) link
Very nice account of a reader's journey with it.
https://lithub.com/finnegans-wake-at-80-in-defense-of-the-difficult/
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
An excellent piece on Wake reading as communal act, and also as almost a cult-like dimension of it:
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/on-finishing-finnegans-wake/
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 May 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/breaking-james-joyce/
Her other essay weaves her life with Joyce's (and also shows that the 27 year reading of FW was roughly 13 years spent on 2/3 of it!) It could be too much for anyone but her but I really liked it.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 May 2021 08:04 (three years ago) link
I saw the movie (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059179/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0). I needed the subtitles, but I think I got all the allusions.
"One joke" could be a poorly-told knock-knock joke, or it could be a masterful telling of "The Aristocrats." I haven't tried to read FW, but I assume it's towards the Aristocrats end of this spectrum.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Saturday, 22 May 2021 12:11 (three years ago) link