probably in court
― been to lots of college and twitter (k3vin k.), Thursday, 22 March 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
whoops, probably *not in court
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10791755-neighbor-comes-to-defense-of-trayvon-martins-shooter
IT'S THE BLACKS' FAULT THEY MADE ZIMMERMANN PARANOID!!
fuck this neighbor
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
"“I think he had fed-up issues. He was mad as hell and wasn't going to take it anymore.”"
o_0
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
I like how he criticizes those for rushing to judgment then clearly indicates he believes Zimmermann acted in self-defense
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:01 (twelve years ago) link
the "fucking coons" thing, it certainly sounds LIKE that on the audio, but I have to be honest, it's not definitive by any means
So, then you play it to a jury, have the lawyers explain it as best reflects on their case, and the jury decides what it hears. Then, according to jurisprudence, it becomes definitive.
― Aimless, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link
^ yeah, this. i'm like 70-80% sure he says "fucking coons", but it's all ultimately up the the jury. hopefully...
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but he has black friends and he was an altar boy. clearly not racist.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
BREAKING: Racist defends other racist (xp)
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
if you had a choice would you rather see
a) george z locked up
or
b) stand your ground law repealed
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
we shouldn't have to choose
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah Id like one to lead to t'other.
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
fuck anyone even interviewing the neighbor, it's not like he was a witness.
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like to see both, but god help the state of Florida if we see neither.
― Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
ok i listened to the audio and there's no 70-80% about it, he %100 says fucking coons
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:46 (twelve years ago) link
is it stupid of me in my searchings to expect zimmerman to give anything even vaguely like an apology or statement of regret?
― humba (NZA), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
as long as there is a possibility of him having any kind of charges against him, definitely
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
xxxpost I remember when we first passed this law and detractors were labeled as paranoid. Now, the statistics indicate a sharp and clear correlating rise in "justifiable homicides" in the state since its passage.
few would dispute someone's right to defend themselves from being under attack, but the problem is clearly, the populace of Florida is interpreting this law VERY loosely, and lawmakers and police are afraid to challenge anybody who uses the defense.
Get rid of it. Now.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
The thing is, anyway, eve if Trayvon had robbed a house, and was, say, walking off from that, that fucker has no right to play cop and SHOOT HIM DEAD.
And if Im to believe that law means he legally can and it isnt murder then god help u all :/
― zooey bechamel (Trayce), Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
well even the dude that drafted the law says it doesn't cover what Zimmermann did. The problem is how the law is interpreted by both citizenry and the law. It's given way too wide of a berth.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
oh and Trayce otm
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
well i ask because i wish the nat'l dialogue was more abt the NRA's favorite fantasy (that if everyone was packing we'd be safer) and less about whether bernard goetz jr should go to jail
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
I think you're being mildly facetious, but let's be clear: there's a sizable difference between the circumstances surrounding George Zimmerman and those surrounding Bernie Goetz.
― Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
right, i'm just drawing the parallel because that was the last time i recall "vigilante justice" seized the nat'l headlines
― the late great, Thursday, 22 March 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
bernie goetz was arrested and charged (and convicted, although not of much).
and the poor black victims of drive-by crossfire that the pretty white dallas columnist reminds us of (and would equate with) were victims of undoubted criminal activity.
this dude was neither arrested, nor charged, nor investigated, nor anything. it's one very bad thing when a racist jury perverts the law; it's wholly another when the law itself happily accepts perversion.
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 March 2012 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
TPM, others: ALEC & the NRA wrote the 'stand your ground' law(s)
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/stand_your_ground_legislation_that_may_have_let_tr.php
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
I thought it was common knowledge that NRA sponsored the stand your ground laws?
this is also lol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-_n_1371171.html
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
"You cannot provoke the confrontation. You cannot be the instigator and then claim 'stand your ground,' Sundby said.
funny, seems like that's exactly what george zimmerman did
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
the NRA yes, but ALEC having a hand in the drafts, transmission, prioritizing is a new factoid i think. and sick.
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
what else does ALEC do? I know they have a hand in privatizing prisons
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
have fun!
http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
― goole, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
looks like they have a finger in every pie
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, I just wanted to use that phrase
― dayo, Thursday, 22 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://newsone.com/nation/elonjameswhite/how-occupy-wall-street-co-opted-the-million-hoodie-march/
i don't want to start another million post argument about OWS, but i think we can mostly agree that this is a bit fucked up? i'm reading a lot of personal accounts of the million hoodie march and i have yet to read one that wasn't lamenting Occupy's presence. and apparently a livestream caught Occupy protesters trying to redirect the march towards zucotti park.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Thursday, 22 March 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Chief's out
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 March 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
that'll solve it
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 March 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
rmde
God forbid he should fucking arrest and charge Zimmerman before the door hits his ass on the way out.
― we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 March 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
According to the police, the police made an investigation, and the police found nothing to merit an arrest, so obviously the police need not take a second look, because the police are capable and fully to be trusted with this case.
Do you think the police chief who is taking "a tmeporary leave" is going to back down from that one inch? Not on your life, buster. He's the president of the club.
― Aimless, Thursday, 22 March 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah there was no doubt in my mind that with all this negative attention that some of the policemen were going to need to find a new line of work.
― waiting in the shadow of the Big Gulp (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
temporary resignation?
isn't that a 'holiday'?
― less of the same (darraghmac), Friday, 23 March 2012 11:30 (twelve years ago) link
Been stressful for the poor guy. If anybody deserves a holiday it's him.
― pandemic, Friday, 23 March 2012 11:49 (twelve years ago) link
that's fair, that's fair
― less of the same (darraghmac), Friday, 23 March 2012 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
So George Zimmerman once had a domestic violence complaint in which -- quelle surprise! -- he claimed that it was his ex-fiancee's fault and HE was the real victim.
But don't worry, Geraldo Rivera has gotten to the bottom of things: It's all the hoodie's fault.
― jpattzlovevampz 2 hours ago (Phil D.), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
Uhhhh...isn't that basically the old "women shouldn't dress like they wanna be raped" saw? BULLSHIT, GERALDO.
― Henry David Thorough (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
Looks like the writer of the original Stand Your Ground legislation is squirming:
As far as I’m concerned, that Neighborhood Watch guy was breaking that law as soon as he started following that kid. He was stalking him. That’s not standing your ground," said Rep. Richard "Rich" Glorioso, R-Plant City, who voted for the bill. "If the law is applied right, it’s a fine law. But we worried about how people would interpret it, and how it would be applied, when we were discussing i
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link
But we worried about how people would interpret it, and how it would be applied, when we were discussing i
But we figured, fuck it, let's pass it anyway and see what happens.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 March 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
after geraldo says "you can't rehabilitate the hoodie" (judiciously acknowledging that fearing all black dudes in hoodies are here to rob+murder you "may be irrational in some extent", although he doesn't have the statistics right here in front of him) and suggests that this whole thing could have been avoided had martin only dressed a little better (we're trying really hard not to kill you guys but come on you have to meet us halfway!) he suddenly torpedoes his thesis with this exception:
I think unless it's raining out, or you're at a track meet, leave the hoodie home.
but it was raining out, so i guess we're back to this thing being the fault of the guy who shot and killed the unarmed teenager instead of the fault of the guy who was so thoughtless and utopian he thought he could wear a sweatshirt around white people without getting murdered?
anyway huge lol at the final line in the transcript:
HUDDY: Perception is reality.
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 23 March 2012 13:51 (twelve years ago) link
yes let us talk now about geraldo rivera
― come on a #KONY (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 March 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah a trap obviously but i was caught off guard
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 23 March 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link