Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

poor old gramps, he finally meets an alien and then gets trapped in his car and suffocates. while the doctor only occasionally races back to it to futilely try the door again.

Was wondering why nobody tried to smash the window.

no see the glass of the window itself was remotely DEADLOCKED® by the sontarans

Hmmmmm.

The Sontaran's strategem seems kind of sneaky for a race so into honour and shit. I thought that was kind of their hook, that they were honourable? Or are they just all talk?

Cribbins is so not dead.

Better not be, or I'll cry real tears.

I'm pretty comfortable with watching him cark it.

No way is he dying off the back of a cliffhanger. Perhaps he'll die of boredom when the Sontarans start talking again.

Yes, I have to admit rather enjoying that one, which I did not expect when I saw it was written by the same person who did the rubbish Daleks-in-Manhattan one. As long as this one isn't solved by electrically-conducted DNA.

And I was really expecting to hate Catherine Tate, but I'm really enjoying her so far. Good stuff.

In the interests of science, here is a direct comparison of series 3 and 4 so far:

Smith and Jones>>>>Partners in Crime
The Shakespeare Code<<<The Fires of Pompei
Gridlock<Planet of the Ood
Daleks in Manhatten<<The Sontaran Strategem

So far S4 is wining by 2 '>'s.

I do like the UFO-spotter grandpa as Donna's confidante; them sharing a delight in Donna's secret adventures from the blowhard RTD-style mum. Assuming he isn't wiped out next ep, I hope he's kept on as a device for Donna to check in with from time to time. Give her one of those amped-up cellphones, help her to keep centered.

Hell, with Rickey/Mickey off in other-other land, somebody's gotta keep up whoisdoctorwho, what with the only other site admin being taken out by autons in the pilot ep.

I'm expecting nobody smashed in the car window with a brick or something because that's how they're going to resolve the crisis next week - they always resolve cliffhangers but doing something cheap and easy. Like saying "Go to your room!" to the gas mask monsters, or, um, however they didn't die in the Dalek two-parter last year ("hey Human Dalek, don't kill us." "Okay.")

I'm enjoying Catherine Tate immensely, she and Tennant have great actorly chemistry. When the Doctor got all soppy saying goodbye and she just let him go on, feeding him more and more rope...awesome. Donna and the Doctor get on so well that it's making me retroactively fatigued with all the S3 Martha/Ten crush nonsense.

Yeah, the Tennant/Tate partnership is done superbly, and Donna is a very well realised character. Martha bleh, I don't miss her at all.

So I had to watch the last two (thanks Ed) and the Ood one was fantastic. Love some of the actors they've been getting in (Ayesha Dharker) and no, I really don't mind implied criticism of sweatshops in mainstream entertainment.

I'm not so down on Martha as you all are. And yeah, super creepy clone-o-vat.

If RTD has done one thing this season, he appears to have shown he can turn around the Taters, we are now beyond tolerating her, and actually enjoying her presence. It reminds me that there are more types of Who companion to try out (and that the lovelorn girl is actually a relatively new one).

Donna has the complicity of Romana II, with the morality of Sarah Jane? Certainly Tennant and Tate's chemistry feels more Baker and Sladen than any other we've had (ie she thinks he's great, and is enjoying the adventures, but has a fair bit of pause to thought about situations).

Why would you create a Sick Days folder if you knew you were never going to use it? And surely creating clone Martha is just so the Doc can watch her die / kill her himself?

I still think she's crap, sorry. The idea for the character is great but every time she starts getting shouty it reminds me that Tate really cannot act, and not in a low-key Martha way either. She's better at the emo stuff.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I've only ever seen a total of about three minutes of her previous work -- could that make a difference? Cause I believe every single thing she does in this show. It could just be down to me liking her character a lot more. Imagine her dealing with Captain Jack, for instance.

I liked how she's been in what, four episodes so far and she's already had a montage flashback!

ha I hated that bit - it would have played better and funnier if that montage had run before she totally psyched the Doc out with her "I have to go home" routine.

But I did love how she and Martha get along instantly and there's no Rose-Sarah Jane type bickering at all.

i would like Sontaran/Judoon army/police face-off - surely the latter are harder

I thought this while watching, but then the Judoon are basically too thick to be much of a match for an alien race with proper strategies.

I am absolutely looking forward to a Donna-Jack moment.

I like the suggestion that once you hand the reins of empire over to a bratty, dickish American he'll immediately encourage fuel consumption, cut deals with warmongers and threaten to engulf us all in a planet-wide conflagration

I'm expecting nobody smashed in the car window with a brick or something because that's how they're going to resolve the crisis next week - they always resolve cliffhangers but doing something cheap and easy. Like saying "Go to your room!" to the gas mask monsters, or, um, however they didn't die in the Dalek two-parter last year ("hey Human Dalek, don't kill us." "Okay.")

"Go to your room" was genuinely clever and unexpected though. The Dalek one was a bit crap, yeah. That's the trouble with bathos as a dramatic device, it's very easy to overuse.

i hated the Cyberman one where he did some laser beam thing with a ring he pulled out of nowhere

the Human Dalek thing wasn't a sticky cliffhanger tho. it was just 'heeeey check THIS out'

The human Dalek thing was brilliant, until we saw where it all went.

The Rani absolutely must come back now. Licence to kitsch like crazy.

Somewhere, Lance Parkin is fuming...

"Back of the neck!"

As self-referential gags go the "are you my mummy?" line was a good one.

enjoyed the uk news "it's like dunkirk" and then the american news "it's a biblical plague".

pretty good one, i thought. don't much about who history, so can someone please explain the daughter thing?

When a daddy Timelord and a mummy Timelord love each other very much ...

Oh god. Just dreadful.

What, last night? You SOOO picky. "Back of the neck" was good, "are you my mummy?" was Vince Hilaire.

'Are you my mummy' was misplaced and stupid. The Doctor was out of character, the plot was rubbish, the Sontarans are ever bit as shit as they always were, Martha was pointless, Donna did almost nothing, 1/2 hr of people in silly caps running around shooting things, just crap.

This is why I don't read these threads :(

xp In fact the whole eposide rode on a fetid jetstream of in-jokes and obscure fanwank.

I mean yeah, sorry, I'm not aiming that at you but the whole thing really was awful.

We all watch for different things, I guess.

It's particularly annoying because the new show is regularly witty, clever and involving, but occasionally you get this quasi-Hollywood shallow nonsense. The kiddies probably get a kick out of it.

It's still ostensibly a kids show. To be honest there aren't that many of the "deep" eps that I think are especially awesome, I just try and take the series as the variety bag it is.

The variety is nice, definitely, but when they waste 90 minutes on running around and blowing up things, it's not exactly gratifying to those of us who are bored by that sort of thing.

I'm sure no-one will disagree with me when I say that that was hugely entertaining stuff from beginning to end.

For those of us who still like fun, obviously.

I liked the Mummy line. Made the character more believable, for me.

Rose's face flashed up on the screen in the Tardis, didn't it?

It's getting a bit samey.

I thought I saw Rose being flashed up, yeh.

I rather enjoyed all that. "You will face me, sir!" Although I did think of this thread when doctor was running around making the atmosphere-conversion gizmo that would save the episode while explaining his plan at a frantic pace.

Unbelievably bad. Helen Raynor should never be allowed near the show again.

I LUV YOU YOUR MY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHMILY is the new running up and down corridors. Utterly pointless and sucks all the momentum out of the show.

Next week looks like a big pile of wank. "Oh yes, when I kept on crying because I was the last one, I was actually lying because I always knew there was another one. Sorry." Plus it was guaranteed as soon as Georgia Moffett was announced that this was what she was doing. OMG THE DAUGHTER OF A DOCTOR IS THE DOCTOR'S DAUGHTER I AM SO CLEVARR BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME I AM RUSTY I AM GENIARSE.

aldo otm

i don't usually agree with Autumn Almanac on Who EVER but 'Are you my mummy' was misplaced and stupid. OTM

'whole world under attack' episodes never work for me