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Stevem, what do you mean by "new episodes"? Because I could go off into a 20-page essay about what happened in both the Virgin and BBC book lines that would make your eyes GLAZE (but probably not until this weekend as I'm sure my employers already are annoyed by the amount of time I spend on ILX as it is).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

McCoy certainly appears to be the most Hartnell-esque of the Doctors (i.e. pursuing his own ends rather than the greater good, very devious) but unfortunately his entire run in undermined by the monstrosity that is "Time and the Rani" - the worst Who episodes ever.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a wild misreading of the McCoy Doctor IMO; his entire schtick was that he was Time's Champion, the great manipulator who would rig conflicts in his favor before they even started in the name of The Greater Good. Ace's entire character arc was the Doctor subverting the plans of an Ultimate Evil with her as the lynchpin.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm.

Maybe I need to watch them again then (although McCoy is the least represented in my 'off the telly' video collection). He always seemed to me to be the most cynical, and never appeared to be someone you could trust.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I agree he's not particularly trustworthy. He's the Doctor most likely to blow up one planet to save a thousand others; Hartnell OTOH would have buggered off as the first planet was blowing up and then pottered into stopping the bad guys as a side-effect of saving his own skin.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, I was trying to work "most likely to blow up a planet" into my response there as well...

I should get some of the Virgin and BBC books, I guess.

On the other hand, a weekend trip to Blackpool is U&K now the Who exhibition is back there (not far from where I saw it as a kid in the 70s) following the demise of Longleat.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

You're probably the only one who recognised McCoy. "'Ere, who's that fat bastard juggling biscuits? It sounds like Rowan Atkinson but it don't look like 'im, innit."

I see what you mean about #7 being better in books though. I'm reading Lungbarrow. It's enjoyable, and #7 Doctor is well-realised, but christ it's hard to sustain interest. All the political Gallifreyan nonsense. I don't give a pants about crappy bloody Time Lords talking shite in meeting rooms.

Troughton's still my fave, and I like McCoy a lot, despite his distinct non-acting.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, put me down for Geekus Maximus too then.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha _Lungbarrow_! That book was "important" but not necessarily "good". Poor old Marc Platt.

Virgin 7th Doctor novels I recommend:

Nightshade
Transit
The Left-Handed Hummingbird
No Future
Falls The Shadow
Set Piece
Sanctuary
Human Nature
Head Games
The Also People
Just War
Sleepy
Christmas On A Rational Planet
Damaged Goods
So Vile A Sin

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. I'm forcing myself to read it because (a) it's free on BBCi; (b) it's part three of the whole Hand of Omega wossname; (c) I didn't print 35 chapters for nowt, dammit.

Thanks for the tips. I've not seen a Virgin book in like forever, but I'll print your list and keep my feelers out. Human Nature's free on BBCi so that'll be next I rekkin.

Recently I've been [furtively] picking up some BBC books. Currently reading Halflife and it's quite good. Crooked World is excellent too. Mark of Gaderene is next because I want to see what Mark Gatiss can do outside League of Gentlemen. Shalka is pointless but curiously entertaining.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved _The Mark Of The Garderene_! It's actually on my reread list. (Gatiss also wrote _Nightshade_.)

Also _The Crooked World_!!!!!! Steve Lyons also rules (and he wrote _Head Games_). He explores similar themes in _Conundrum_, only from an alternate universe angle.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Awesome. I can only find Crooked World by Steve Lyons, but I've been looking for more. The range in Australia is a bit limited.

Link to free joy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/ebooks/

Ahhh. So nice to talk about Doctor Who books on a nongeek forum. All my friends give me weird looks and change the subject.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh COOL. Of course I've read all of those; I especially recommend _The Sands Of Time_ (Justin Richards is another great writer and actually one-time editor of the BBC line) and the aforementioned _Human Nature_.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Sands of Time is not all there yet, but it's also available in PDA ebook format. Which is good, because I've been printing the BBCi books to read them on public transport without people thinking I'm a geek, but now I can read them on my Palm, which means people will think I'm a geek, but for all the wrong reasons.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I'm completely shameless about reading Who books on public transportation! I've actually had people ask me about the books, including two thugged-out teens. I was shocked that they even knew who Doctor Who was, let alone were interested in it!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ahahaha. I've mastered the art of holding the book so the whole logo is neatly obscured, but there's always that lingering fear of someone punching me in the anorak and nicking my lunch money.

Meh. This time next year they'll be begging me for a lend.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I once "heckled" Mark Gatiss when he was a guest on This Morning W Richard Not Judy at the Edinburgh Fringe. He was asked about his Dr Who (and gay pr0n) writing and was pretending to forget the name of the book - so we yelled out "Nightshade" for him. ho ho

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 20 May 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouting things at talk show guests (sometimes insults) from studio audiences = CLASSIC!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I read Dr Who books with pride on the tube, I think it is only a positive for geeky young twars to see a HOTT CHIixx0r like wot I am reading their geeky sci-fi. It could be a turning point in their lives, or something! I only have LAST MAN RUNNING and er, THE ROBOT in Target paperback format. Poor old robot.

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouting things at talk show guests (sometimes insults) from studio audiences = CLASSIC!

can i do my TERRY WOTAN joke yet?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I have The Colony Of Lies sitting next to my work computer as I type this and Last Of The Gaderene is in my backpack.

Author shout-outs:

Lawrence Miles
Dave Stone
Ben Aaronovitch
Jim Mortimore
David A. McIntee
Lance Parkin
Rebecca Levine
Daniel O'Mahoney
Simon Messingham
Jonathon Morris
Paul Cornell
Kate Orman
Steve Lyons

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevem I don't geddit.

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

never mind loon

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

can i do my TERRY WOTAN joke yet?

He gets the names of all his guests wrong. "And now, V Graham Norton."

Dan: Mark Morris any good? I found Deep Blue new for AU$4, which is a bit of a steal.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Deep Blue is certainly worth AU$4! From what I remember, that book is kind of average for the BBV line but does have some exciting sequences in it.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Brill. Looks a bit generic aliens-emerge-from-sea-and-terrorise-village, but. Having recently read Shalka I'll wait a few months.

― I Wish You Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 20 May 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How do you feel about the fan fic cross over stories with Star Trek and such?

― colonel pinky, Friday, 21 May 2004 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

people are sick

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 21 May 2004 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I had to stop reading fan-fiction after stumbling across a story with an overly-detailed description of how the McGann Doctor had been crucified and hung behind the bar of a nightclub. I mean, WTF???

Speaking of incredibly grim graphic violence, check out Mick Lewis's BBC books, too (esp Rags).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 May 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Fan fic? Urgh.

Star Trek crossover? Urgh.

I didn't have a problem with the eighth Doctor, it's the crap movie built around him that sucked. And his dialogue. And his stupid half-human nonsense. And harrassing strangers about their future. And the wacky TARDIS interior. And the snogging. And the wig. And the Master. And the plot. And the credits.

― You're the Wish You Are I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 22 May 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Read The Tomorrow Windows if you haven't already. New this month. Just brilliant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/books/images/173/tomorrowwindows.jpg

― Lo Boob Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost hate to ask, but what is that statue doing?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Not a great deal.

Can't say more lest I spoil the book, innit.

― Lo Boob Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

DO NOT SPOIL THIS BOOK FOR ME

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh. Get it and read it so I don't have to. :)

I've just crossed the halfway mark, and I feel like taking tonight off just to finish it. Books rarely have that effect on me.

― Lo Boob Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Finished it last night. Bloody incredible. Best book of any kind I've read in years, and really really funny. Like, frequently-laugh-aloud-and-embarrass-yourself-in-front-of-people funny.

― (I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and) Whittle Away My Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 20 June 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Any one read the Eight Doctor one Revolution Man by Paul Leonard, set in the summer of love with flower children and hallucinogenc drugs?

I found that one a bit disturbing.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 June 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

_Revolution Man_ could have been so fantastic. Sigh.

Jonathon Morris is a complete and total star, Adam; have you read _Fesitval Of Death_ or _Anachrophobia_?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Revolution Man was fantastic, building to that amazing shock ending... which was never followed up, and which therefore just seems odd and out of character. I thought it was going to raise all sorts of issues for the Doctor's future direction. But no.

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Sunday, 20 June 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That's almost precisely the problem I had with it; you had this completely shocking ending that was totally out of character which was then subsequently ignored by the following books, making it completely meaningless.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam; have you read _Fesitval Of Death_ or _Anachrophobia_?

Ahahaha. As luck would have it, they're the other two Jonathan Morris books I have, and I've not read either. Having seen no Tom Baker at all since I was about 10, I can't remember what he's like at all, so I'm holding off on Festival of Death until our local telly network gets to him [reruns four nights a week; currently they're 1/3 through the Pertwee stuff].

I've not read Revolution Man, and after those sterling reviews I don't think I will now. :)

― (I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and) Whittle Away My Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

How the FUCK did I end up with SEVENTEEN Doctor Who books this week?

― That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I finished The Last Resort last night, which I really rate. Unlike, as far as I can make out, everyone else who has read it. Paul Leonard doesn't spring to mind when I think of my favourite DW authors, but with this, The Turing Test and Revolution Man, I may have to reconsider.

Timeless next. I've a real soft spot for Steve Cole's prose, even if his plots don't always deliver.

― Ian Edmond (ianedmond), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Um. All I can say is "brace yourself".

I've started rereading the Virgin books and it's kind of staggering (overall) how much more ENJOYABLE the first few (barring the completely horrifying _Timewyrm: Apocalypse_) are than the recent BBC 8DAs. COME BACK JOHN PEEL, ALL IS FORGIVEN etc etc.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

John Peel. Ack. This morning I had a crack at Legacy of the Daleks, and bashed my head on the tram door to take away the pain.

― That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

In two weeks I'll be working in the building where they shot the old Dr. Who episodes! It has a terrace.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

They've started the new one this week. The new Doctor has no costume, just a tee-shirt and jacket.

― That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, I'd forgotten about _Legacy..._. NEVER MIND JOHN PEEL.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Read Tomorrow Windows yet? Carn.

― That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no money for _Tomorrow Windows_ at the moment, so I Won't get to that until August at the earliest (plus I'm being really insane and rereading/reviewing all of the old books on The Brown Wedge).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow. I'm not sure I could read them again, let alone construct reviews.

Loving the Alien: Robots. Things go blam. Giant ants. 5/10
Ancestor Cell: blah blah Rassilon blah blah Castellan blah blah. Politicofanwank. 4/10
Legacy of Daleks: Shit. 2/10

― That's the Way (uh huh uh huh) I Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Both [i]Synthespians[/i] and [i]The Algebra of Ice[/i] are exceptional. By all accounts [i]The Sleep of Reason[/i] is excellent as well, but I've not got round to it yet.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 September 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucken tags.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 3 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I JUST FINISHED THE TOMORROW WINDOWS

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Provide a score out of 10 forthwith.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

9. It was an 8 right up until I figured out what was going on with the narration, at which point I went "YOU CLEVER CLEVER MAN" and started grinning like a goon. Also, KUDOS for making Trix likeable!

I didn't LOL as much as I was expecting but I think that's because I've been very very tired this week.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Good. I thought you'd hate it after all the build-up. And yeah, I didn't much care for Trix until this point.

The best part is, the range has since maintained that high standard. I'm officially hooked on these bloody books.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

YAY!

I have high hopes for Synthespians; Craig Hinton has long been on my "most underrated Who author" list (and I just started rereading his first NA, _The Dimension Riders_).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah. In that case, you'll LOVE Synthespians. I'd love to spoil bits just to convey how brilliant it is, but I won't. In a word, it's FUN.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Sleep of Reason: 9/10
Deadstone Memorial: 10/10

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Synthespians WAS fun! I'm shocked that they never thought about having the 6th Doctor meet the Autons on the TV series given the potential for total carnage. And WOW what Craig did with Peri was great! (Poor Peri.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. Peri gives me the shits, so it was nice to see her go through a bit more discomfort and anguish than normal.

And the range just gets better from there. What a brilliant year. I can't wait for the final Eighth Doctor book, sounds incredible.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 29 October 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...

am (mildly) curious as to which bits you saw being filmed.

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

It was just a slot for the local news: S. McCoy visits old Dr. Who locations. I was working on Necros at the time.

― robster (robster), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

D.PERRY FINISH WRITIN UP ALL DR WHO BOOKS KTHXBYE

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

I met a Dr. Who on Saturday. Not one of the best ones, but still a Dr. Who.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

all the best ones are dead :(

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Tom Baker and S. McCoy pwn Hartnell! And Baker, at least, also beats Troughton easily.

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 24 June 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

but OTM re: D. Perry.

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 24 June 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

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