Should I buy an Apple laptop?

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Okay. Sold.

I'm getting an 800mhz 12" after work today. Thanks all.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 14 November 2002 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

The other things about macs is that now that they are effectively unix you can run a whole host of open source applications which do a great deal of the things that may be missing from mac OS. The fink package manager makes downloading and compiling apps easy (I have no idea how to do it otherwise, it works well). Xwindows apps work with XDarwin and OroborOSX. So for anyone who says that there is a particular math/stats /scientific package thats missing from the mac's armory then its probably there.

OS wise OS X is second to none, it is stable as anything going, it looks nice. You can use it without tweaking a thing or get right into the nuts and bolts if you want.

As far as the hardware goes, build quality is second to none, my only gripe is that the headphone port broke, but this appears to have been fixed with better ports on newer models.

Buy a mac you won't be disappointed.

Plus apple just upped specs and cut prices on iBooks and powerbooks.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 November 2002 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Early report says that this is the most ridiculously easy setup Iève ever had...

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 15 November 2002 02:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yay, mac happiness!

lyra (lyra), Friday, 15 November 2002 02:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, mostly, except for the fact that my apostrophe key is doing this: Γ¨

Which is slightly distressing...

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 15 November 2002 02:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aha! I figured it out. (Stupid Canadian keyboard mapping...)

OK, Mac happiness it is, although getting used to iTunes over Winamp is gonna take some work...

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 15 November 2002 02:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

As far as hardware goes, the "build quality" may be there (what the screws don't rust?) but PCs own the top end and price/performance ratio. Intel has passed the 3Ghz mark meanwhile Moto runs one Ghz and has nowhere to go from there but out of business. X is reasonably stable but so is Win2k and XP, and they aren't crippled by the Mac Classic environment incompatibilities. On the other hand, overspending on Macs is probably good for the economy or something so whatever floats your boat.

There's a version of Winamp for Mac but it's an Alpha and kinda light on features (stable but you can't fiddle with the settings like you can in windows).

Stuart, Friday, 15 November 2002 02:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Audion, yo.

OCP (OCP), Friday, 15 November 2002 06:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am currently typing on an iBOOK. Personally I am not very fond of them. I installed a ASDL modem and it always fuhs up the iBOOK. But then that's to do with the modem. If I fix that (read: never because I am too darn lazy), it's perfect. Other than that, they are great: they are GREAT in size and just look GREAT. iTUNES is just classique! Especiallt the one on Jaguar.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 15 November 2002 09:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

It will be interesting to see how quickly IBM can come up with a cheap version of the POWER4. That could turn things around. (The current POWER4 is sickeningly fast, but the cheapest machine you can buy with a POWER4 chip is around $80,000. Supposedly they're working on a cheap PowerPC-ish version of it for Apple.)

Dave Fischer, Friday, 15 November 2002 10:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Had I had a less tight budget, I would have bought a 12" iBook w/ combo drive. Unfortunately, I am severely underemployed.

As a result, I recently purchased a rather nice PC laptop. It cost AUD $2k. Specs: 12" TFT (1024x768), 1ghz Celeron, 20gb hdd, 256mb ram, DVD, ethernet, 56k modem, 3 USB ports, firewire.

Photos: one, two, three.

So far it works nicely.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 15 November 2002 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

One of us, Mark P! You will find your love increasing daily.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 November 2002 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

iBooks are everywhere now ... i hang out at a couple of coffee shops frequented by academic-types and designer-types and i've seen about four different iBooks in the past few weeks. saw a girl futzing around on the 12" model last night and was reminded of this thread.

so dave q ... please do keep up to date on this thread about your progress with iBook/OSX. i'm so perilously close to buying one of these that a good iBlog could push me over the edge.

isn't that 12" screen WAY too small to be useful?

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Friday, 15 November 2002 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Most people here like macs? that's unusual.
I guess because ILXers=cool, macs=cool.
Make sure you get a superdrive with CD/DVD writing if you want that kind of thing. It may be a little expensive yet.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm typically a PC guy, because my job requires it. But, I've got nothing but good things to say about iBook, especially when the AirPort is buried inside. mark will be able to confirm that I said so prior to this thread.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 16 November 2002 01:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Macs are worthless toys, but they're better than PCs.

Dave Fischer, Saturday, 16 November 2002 02:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Both the 12" and the 14.1" screens only go as high as 1024x768, so 'usefulness' isn't really the question (ie. you'll still be able to fit the same amount on each screen). I wasn't crazy about the 12" screen at first (I had a 15" on my old laptop) but I must admit, there's something about the machine's compact design that's almost perversely appealing.

Sean C! Glad you saw this thread; I obv. took yr advice re: the iBooks and took the plunge. So far, I'm pretty happy I did (although I'm holding off on a full thumbs up until I get another 512 megs of ram, hopefully soon...)

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 16 November 2002 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

hmm...I'm a PC person, but then, a good chunk of that is habit and convenience, I don't know how to access things quickly in the Mac OS.. Plus the academic dept where I'm doing a little web maintenance has a couple of iMacs and I had both of them crash the same morning, which was frustrating, and so far the simplest tasks have caused me major headaches.
I've got a new IBM Thinkpad & couldn't be happier with it so far, sturdy, fast enough for what I do right now (a little web dev, and classwork).. let's see how it goes once I load up Photoshop. When I was shopping around, I was hearing bad things abt Compaq/HP in particular, that they just didn't make quality hardware anymore.

daria g, Saturday, 16 November 2002 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
Is this worth buying:

iBook: P92, 600 Mhz, 12.1", 128 MB, 20 GB, Combo Drive (DVD-CDRW), Internal Modem -

Β£475?

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know nothing about apples.

but I could still say that that's mem. is too lo.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh, but someone was saying mem. was cheap and easy to fit even in their laptops.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

But you can't just pop an Apple open and smack some more memory in, can you? Or are their laptops more scalable?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

That sounds like a very good deal, Cozen.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Thanks N., I thought so, it's a reconditioned model supplied by a relation who is an Apple Insider).

I should take it and add some (cheap?) memory (easily?)?

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link


But you can't just pop an Apple open and smack some more memory in

Yes, you can. If I can do it, anyone can - Cozen you should get it.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Score, I'm swayed. Now all I need is the delivery of my iPod, the UEFA Cup and the Scottish Premiership title and I'll be super happy.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cozen, how did you win an iPod? I am jealous.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, not that I don't think you deserve it - is it one of the new ones?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Be very careful buying 'bargain' powerbooks etc on Ebay - there are a lot of scams around, usually involving payment by money order... the fraudsters hack legit accounts with good feedback. I was tempted by a 17" for $1500 and did some research. See for example:

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/cattery/second-golden-age.html

voice of reason, Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Be very careful buying 'bargain' powerbooks etc on Ebay - there are a lot of scams around, usually involving payment by money order... the fraudsters hack legit accounts with good feedback. I was tempted by a 17" Powerbook for $1500 and did some research. See for example:

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/cattery/second-golden-age.html

voice of reason, Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry for the double submit. I realised I needed to say a 17" what. I thought you might think I meant a cinema display or something, but obviously it looks much funnier than that...

voice of unreason, Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

You never know if you're going to get ripped off, I suppose, but I got my PowerBook on eBay, and payed by money order. I got a beautiful laptop, carefully packaged, and loaded with software; couldn't be happier.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want a new computer so bad. The one I have is a dinosaur. My boyfriend says he is oging to build me one but I don't think he could build anything that would work.

blanca, Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Is anyone else's iBook really scuffed up round the plastic inner casing, like light scores and scratches just caused by carrying it around and general use? Also, what is an effective way to clean the white resin outer casing, the smudges seem permanent to me? And, finally, how to clean the screen (other than a 'lint free tissue') as it seems to always have these faint kinda 'burn' marks (not burn marks so much as touch marks)?

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

iBooks get scratched up. This is what happens and as far as I know there's little you can do about it. You can get a little piece of fabric-type stuff to put on your keyboard so it doesn't leave those keyboard marks on your screen.

My iBook is in the shop AGAIN. It keeps blowing through logic circuits like so many M&Ms. I am hoping Apple will just replace the computer at this point, but we'll see.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

Where do I get the fabric-type stuff, Chris?

I don't mind it getting scuffed up, I mean I bought it so I could use it as a laptop (out and about &c.) it just ruins the overall prettiness.

What is 'blowing through logic circuits' and should I worry or is it that-computer specific?

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

The logic board thing is something that happens to some iBooks but apparently not most. But apparently it does happen to mine. It just means it freezes up a lot and I have to take it to the shop to get repaired.

You can get the fabric things at computer stores. I am not sure what they are called, but if you ask for a laptop screen protector fabric thingy doo, they might have it. I don't have one, since the keyboard marks seem easy to clean off. But my bf has one, because he is fussy.

One of my friends wraps her iBook in a scarf but her computer is still getting all scratched up so ah well!

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

Rah Apple!
-overall cost is lower
-more is included in initial cost, no nickel and diming for audio/video cards etc
-less susecptibility to viruses
-more sophisticated networking capabilities
-it's more fun
-it's faster better and faster and better

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know if you can really just say "overall cost is lower"...

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link

What about getting one of those laptop "wetsuits"-- little cases made of neoprene that fasten to the laptop with elastic at the corners? Then they zip around the edges to close them, and have little handles. Apparently they're quite good at providing scratch protection & light cushioning in bags. Also rubbing alcohol seems to work really well on most marks I've gotten on my case.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Just got the 15" Powerbook a week ago today. (My first Mac.)

So awesome! I can't wait until I dig its teeth into my high-end video stuff in a few months. I'm never going back to Windows. I may go to a *nix one day, but never back to MS.

Just wondering, though, are there any good programs for some simple WYSIWYG HTML? I don't need anything as mighty as Dreamweaver, however.

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

What is Dreamweaver?!

raphael diligent (Cozen), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

I bought Airport (Β£20!!!) and am getting Panther pretty soon. All I need now is Reason, Fruityloops and Ableton Live.

raphael diligent (Cozen), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

What is Dreamweaver?!

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

So... my old Powerbook G4 which I purchased in 2002 (I think) is finally on its last legs. The disk drive doesn't work and one of the hinges broke this weekend. While I can still use it, it has lost much of its functionality.
I'm thinking of buying a new MacBook but I'm wondering if there's any reason to believe that the prices on them will drop in the next few weeks/months?
Advice/suggestions?

wmlynch, Thursday, 14 February 2008 05:26 (sixteen years ago) link

(Blimey, toby's undergone a conversion) since 2002)

You might check the mac buyers guide:

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook

Bob Six, Thursday, 14 February 2008 07:35 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Should I get a MacBook Air? Does anyone have one here?

youn, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Problem with macbook air is its just too big and too expensive for a secondary/travel laptop

water, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link

um, are you really willing to pay an extra $799 dollars so that your computer can be slightly (.32") thinner than the macbook? have you ever complained about the thickness of your laptop? because if not, than you might as well save your money.

remy bean, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

manufactured demand say what

remy bean, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

dayo otm

k3vin k., Monday, 13 January 2014 01:08 (ten years ago) link

hey thank you so much everybody. it feels like when you google for some kind of tech problem & find some sort of utopian, 100% benevolent online commune of forum guys just helping out people dropping in, Welcome to the Board Jeff! Post your Error Log Alan Forbe, Posts: 11872 Old hand]. i really appreciate the hand-holding. i have to figure out what i can get. when i buy my new computer i will bump this thread every time i use it.

thank you x

mustread guy (schlump), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 01:57 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

early 2015 13 mba 8gb. buy now? not immediate necessity. mistrust what apple might do this year but havent read up

r|t|c, Monday, 25 January 2016 10:38 (eight years ago) link

do you care about retina display?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 25 January 2016 13:56 (eight years ago) link

^

龜, Monday, 25 January 2016 14:01 (eight years ago) link

no i don't think so. i don't do anything that relies on imgs and i prefer my films to look shitty. i havent had much interaction with retina either though so maybe just ignorance i will rue in the future. i imagine non-retina would have longer battery, which would def be more important

i'm pretty sure i know that the 2015 would be totally fine for my usage case tbh, i'm just fully not sure what i'll be missing out on from the 2016 lineup. and yknow that classic fake processor anxiety they do where it's like SKYLLAKE ugh how can i use this broadwell DOGSHIT when you could never tell in ur entire life

r|t|c, Monday, 25 January 2016 15:13 (eight years ago) link

force touch i guess

r|t|c, Monday, 25 January 2016 15:18 (eight years ago) link

i have totally lost track of the CPU situation but for me if you want a laptop now and you don't care about retina then get an air and max out the RAM

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 25 January 2016 15:45 (eight years ago) link

the dinky processor on the macbook is slower than the one in the air iirc, and the skylake is not in macbook pros, never mind the airs, so i don't think there's a massive cpu jump imminent

more likely i think is that they just ditch the air form factor?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 25 January 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

MacBook Air likely dead walking, but that's no reason not to buy one now if it meets yr needs.

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Monday, 25 January 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

I got the latest one from work, and it's really not a great machine. The screen is really pretty poor, even by MacBook standards, and it seems to have weird hardware issues - kernel panics a lot when connecting devices or monitors, sometimes is reluctant to startup. This is probably just a lemon, mind, my 2011 11" is one of my favourite ever Macs.

stet, Monday, 25 January 2016 20:14 (eight years ago) link

my 2013 13" air is my favourite ever mac (os x sucks though)

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 25 January 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link

I love love love the Macbook Air. It's so light! Why would Apple kill it?

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 09:30 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

is there a PHYSICAL reason a macbook air would intermittently make a noise that sounds like a quiet, brushed cymbal roll? i've been hearing it recently and i can't tell if it's the hardware or the software, whether i'm causing it, etc.

i thought maybe it could be connected to some kind of esoteric feedback for high-inertia/speed / long-distance two-finger scrolling in safari, but i can't replicate that - and i would have heard it doing this before if that were the case.

also i recently started running garageband, and the sound is recognizably musical, but other than that i have no ideas.

j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 06:11 (five years ago) link

i say PHYSICAL because it almost sounds to me like something vibrating up to a resonant wave, like upon repeated trackpad swipes

j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link

I’d plug in headphones to see if it’s a software generated sound. If not, the only moving part would be a cooling fan, which may be gunked with dust.
My MacBook generates a quiet hiss when it turns on speakers to put out a sound - only audible in quiet environments, and lingers a couple of seconds after the sound.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 07:03 (five years ago) link

i'll try that. this has the definite profile of an EVENT of some sort, but as far as i know i have done nothing that would have caused it to start happening. uncanny!!

j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 07:07 (five years ago) link

i read a neat trick to grep fs_usage's output for 'aiff' to catch accesses to the system sounds' files, which unfortunately does not catch even other UI sound effects like trash-emptying, let alone whatever this is. but maybe i'll be able to spy something happening in the console if i'm ever paying enough attention when the sound happens again.

j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:21 (five years ago) link


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