2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

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man I don't wanna relive Gore's Robert Blake makeup again.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:41 (fourteen years ago)

Rick...not a Freudian slip, a Romney slip.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:41 (fourteen years ago)

Newt's on CNN (from Georgia) telling folksy stories and getting all nostalgic...he's mutating into Garrison Keillor. I don't approve.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:16 (fourteen years ago)

whatever else he is, newt is not a very 'from georgia' seeming pol from georgia. but maybe i don't know georgia very well.

goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:29 (fourteen years ago)

Dead heat 35,000 votes in--this is going to be Iowa all over again.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:34 (fourteen years ago)

We're trembling!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:41 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, go listen to some late-period Rod Stewart! (I'm bringing out the heavy artillery.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=denQRG6CaBo

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:44 (fourteen years ago)

i didn't know "listen to some late-period rod stewart" meant "fuck yourself", huh

anyway, LA times doing romney's spin work, looks like

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-exit-polls-democrats-michigan-primary-20120228,0,6201649.story

goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:58 (fourteen years ago)

8:54 P.M. Romney Leads Narrowly in Oakland and Macomb
Mitt Romney leads Rick Santorum by 12 percentage points so far in precincts reporting from Oakland County, Mich., a wealthy suburban county that is his stronghold. He also leads by about 3 points in Macomb County, which is somewhat more working class but was also thought to favor Mr. Romney.

Those results, however, are probably somewhat behind the pace he would need to carry the whole state; Mr. Romney won both counties by 20 points in 2008.

These counties have reported between 3 and 4 percent of their results so far; there's a good chance that Mr. Romney's lead will expand as a more representative sample of precincts begin to report. Still, it's not a terrific result for him so far.

- Nate Silver

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:59 (fourteen years ago)

tommythek50 at 5:21 PM February 28, 2012
No surprise, this is what today's Progressive Democrats do...create chaos.  That is one of their core values. 

lol I want this to be true so bad

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:01 (fourteen years ago)

Romney's lead keeps creeping up. I don't know if the trees and inland lakes have voted yet or not, but I have a bad feeling.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:08 (fourteen years ago)

intrade going crazy for romrom tho I wonder if it's just someone making a big bet

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

The trees cast just the right vote.

nickn, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:24 (fourteen years ago)

Newtastic:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/gingrich-delivers-rambling-concession/

For more than 15 minutes, Mr. Gingrich first related several stories about his past in Georgia, including one about how he and friends tried to cut down a dying tree, only to see it crash into a house.

He then launched into a lecture about energy, the subject that he has been focused on for days.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:39 (fourteen years ago)

Meanwhile, the passion!:

Even in his old neighborhood, Mr. Romney had his detractors, and enthusiasm among his supporters seemed generally low.

Some were angry that Mr. Romney did not support the federal auto bailout in 2008. Others did not like the negative tone the candidates adopted. But many said they were forced to choose between a candidate they thought could beat President Obama in November and one who shares their personal values.

Wearing a tie printed with the American flag, Sandy Munro, 62, said he cast his vote for Mr. Santorum because he was “probably the little more moral of the two.”

“Romney was the right guy the last time around to get the country back on its feet,” he said about the 2008 election. “Now what we need is a strong political leader to do something to get us out of the moral slump that we’re in.”

In Novi, a nearby suburb, Jim Graves, 49, decided on Tuesday morning that he would vote for Mr. Romney, whom he called the “least of all the evils.”

Since losing his job at an auto supplier in 2006, Mr. Graves said, he has been able to find only part-time work. He said Mr. Romney’s business experience was impressive, though he did not seem excited about his vote.

“I’m comfortable with it,” he said about his choice. “I’ve made my peace with it.”

Pat Tschirhart, 77, said that he sided with Mr. Santorum on many social issues — especially his opposition to abortion — but that in the end chose to back Mr. Romney because he was the best “anybody but Obama” candidate.

On the western side of the state, at the Rainbow Grill in Grandville, Mich., near Grand Rapids, voters packed in to see Mr. Santorum, enthused by his stance on social issues.

Barb Northuis, 54, works in day care and voted for Mr. Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, because “he’s pro-life and has Christian values,” she said.

Her friend Sandy DeGroot, a 60-year-old banker, agreed. “We need to get back to a president with faith.” As for Mr. Romney? “No way,” she said.

Many voters, however, were still undecided, even after casting their ballots.

Jean Dalman, 84, is a church volunteer who voted for Mr. Romney on Friday by absentee ballot, but now regrets it. “I was betwixt and between,” she said. “You don’t know what the truth is. Truth has gone out the window.”

The electorate’s lack of enthusiasm has popped up again and again throughout the Republican contest, with front-runners rising and falling over the last few months.

It was noticeable again in Novi on Tuesday, where volunteers working at the polls at Holy Family Catholic Church said turnout was surprisingly light, even for a primary. A voter or two, then more waiting.

Around midday, the machine counting ballots sat silent in the empty gymnasium.

“Most of the people I know aren’t even going to take the time to vote,” said Jon Spendlove, 31, who came to the church on his day off to back Representative Ron Paul of Texas.

Campaign ads that flooded the airwaves might have added to voter fatigue, said Susan Abrams, 46, who decided on Monday night to support Mr. Romney and looks forward to things getting back to normal.

“I’m so sick of hearing about it,” she said. “I didn’t even turn on the news this morning because I knew it’s all I would hear.”

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:41 (fourteen years ago)

looking at what's left to count, I don't see a way for santorum to close this gap

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:42 (fourteen years ago)

Haha!:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cath.jpg

I’m dying to see the crosstabs on when Catholic voters decided. Did the attention given to Santorum’s criticism of JFK’s church-and-state speech this weekend possibly alienate some of them? (Note again that Romney won among voters who decided today even though Santorum crushed him among voters who decided over the past two months.) Or is something else going on? Liberal Catholics maybe reacting to Santorum’s contraception rhetoric? Theories?

Oh where to begin.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

(xpost) Unless...he calls in a favour from the superest super-delegate of them all.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

I think people read too much w/r/t 'catholic' as a predictable voting demographic these days

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

You...you heartless cynic.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:50 (fourteen years ago)

didn't john kerry lose catholics? people don't vote their religion anymore, they vote for the candidate who best matches their craziness level

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:52 (fourteen years ago)

I should expand that into a book

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

can I write a blurb or have you already chosen Morbs because he doesn't drive

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

well you can write one but I'm still not sending you a free copy

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

No copy no blurb

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:59 (fourteen years ago)

its not looking good out there for our boy!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

:(

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

MSNBC just called it for Romney. lame.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

booooo

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:14 (fourteen years ago)

my night is ruined

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

The Republicans need to schedule a debate. That'll bring some clarity to this.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

Believe it or not there IS another debate coming up soon. Huckabee's doing some sort of new forum thing on Saturday.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/huckabee-will-host-a-presidential-forum-on-fox-news/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:24 (fourteen years ago)

Mr. Huckabee will host his third presidential forum on Saturday, an executive for the Fox News Channel said on Tuesday. So far three candidates, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, have committed. Ron Paul has still not indicated whether he will attend.

The program, which is scheduled from 8 to 10 p.m., will be broadcast from Ohio, the executive said, speaking anonymously because a formal announcement had not been made.

Mr. Huckabee will focus the forum on jobs and the economy, a particularly potent subject in Ohio where the manufacturing sector has suffered greatly. Underscoring that distress, the setting for the event will be a now-shuttered DHL plant in Wilmington.

Wilmington was devastated when DHL, the shipping giant, reduced its United States workforce by 9,500 three years ago. The city, with only about 12,000 residents at the time, had thousands of jobs disappear.

During the program, Mr. Huckabee will be joined by Charlie Gasparino, a senior correspondent for Fox Business Network, and Elaine Chao, a labor secretary to George W. Bush and now a Fox News contributor, and three Ohio residents whose lives have been affected by the recession.

"So which of you hates unions more...oh wait, Ohio, they repealed that. Uh..."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:25 (fourteen years ago)

Mitt sure does sound like an asshole at his victory speech. He also looks like Jim Carrey both facially and in terms of his aspect - he's got that same level of emotional detachment that he can't quite act through

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:41 (fourteen years ago)

That bit about Obama ranking himself one of the four greatest presidents ever--is Romney just making stuff up there? I didn't hear a thing about that.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:44 (fourteen years ago)

lol Novi

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

He must be. Obama is one of the most self-deprecating presidents ever.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:45 (fourteen years ago)

Truth has gone out the window.

Sounds like God left the stupid window open again.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:46 (fourteen years ago)

mitt romney's life is actually the truman show, just done on an epic scale

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

this is childish & unrealistic stuff to get mad about but you know how the GOP narrative about Obama has a bit about how "arrogant" Obama is? well, what the fuck do you call the tone of this Romney speech if not arrogant?

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:47 (fourteen years ago)

it's weird it's like I don't like the dude but this speech is the first time I've thought like "no, fuck you, I hope you pour a whole lotta money down the crapper losing this election"

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:48 (fourteen years ago)

arrogant is just code for uppity, it has little to do w/ anything he actually does

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:49 (fourteen years ago)

yeah theoretically and practically I know that but I'm a pretty trusting & credulous person and I am kind of genetically incapable of not taking people at their word even when the evidence is overwhelmingly against them

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:50 (fourteen years ago)

...like, I even vote for Democrats sometimes. HEY-OHHHHHHHH

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:51 (fourteen years ago)

So Romney's talking about something Obama said on 60 Minutes:

“I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history,” Obama told CBS’s Steve Kroft.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/60-minutes-edits-out-obamas-claim-that-hes-the-fourth-best-president/

Well...Romeny's paraphrase is a stretch, obviously. Obama clarifies his point right in the quote: "just in terms of what we've gotten done." He's making a quantitative judgement, and I bet within that context he's right.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:53 (fourteen years ago)

it bears pointing out that more than anything else What's Wrong With America is that we have massive numbers of totally uninformed voters whose reasons for voting the way they do are completely regressive. not that other countries don't have such people. i can't help but feeling that among comparably wealthy nations we rank pretty high in numbers of People Who Don't Have a Fucking Clue.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 06:50 (fourteen years ago)

also everybody thinks they are good judges of character --against nearly all of the evidence--when it comes to politicians. "he just seems more moral." "i don't know, i just feel like i can trust him, you know?" "he seems like a good man."

would read a "you are not so smart"-style analysis of political self-delusion and its consequences.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 06:52 (fourteen years ago)

There are a lot of problems with UK politics and the ways a lot of voters enter into them, but I was always shocked by how specific and, dare i say, "honest", the debates and interviews during election season could be.

My mother thinks Obama seems like "a nice guy", but she'll never vote Democrat and considers everything Obama has done to be a failure because she expected to get the retirement money she lost in the recession to come back. People have a very skewed idea of what politicians can actually achieve, I think.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 07:10 (fourteen years ago)


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