2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

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yeah but it's hard to tell who's an abortion-hating reagan dem and who's a genuine prankster.

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:10 (fourteen years ago)

All the campaigns will try to spin this 10% in whatever way looks best for them, but a vote is a vote.

Aimless, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:26 (fourteen years ago)

Just catching up with today's posts. For the many reasons cited above, I can't see much of a comparison between Santorum and Nixon or Bush I. In perceived stature, they're not even close. Bush II is maybe a more plausible analogy, but based on perceptions of Bush as he left office, not as he went in. I don't remember any widespread feeling in 2000 that Bush was unelectable.

you're starting to sound like Matt or clemenza. Would you like me to sing "Oh Susanna"?

I tried to make sense of this based on the previous posts, but I couldn't.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:27 (fourteen years ago)

Bush came from a famous family as the successful governor of one of the largest, most powerful (and southern) states in the country and he liked both drinking AND God so of course he was electable

Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:29 (fourteen years ago)

i think w/r/t bush in '00 people forget how folks back then seemed to have a rose-tinted view of his dad and sort of imagined his son as a comparatively innocuous-*seeming* republican.

omar little, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:31 (fourteen years ago)

he ran on being an innocuous-republican!

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:32 (fourteen years ago)

i think w/r/t bush in '00 people forget how folks back then seemed to have a rose-tinted view of his dad and sort of imagined his son as a comparatively innocuous-*seeming* republican.

I don't remember this at all. He ran as as an imbecile who cooed the right notes to evangelicals, neocons, and libertarians.

His dad ran as Reagan.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:34 (fourteen years ago)

compassionate innocuism

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:35 (fourteen years ago)

"fuzzy math"

Aimless, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:35 (fourteen years ago)

One thing history has confirmed: the conclusion in 1988 that Poppy Bush, the first veep since Van Buren to win the presidency, triumphed because he ran as a Reagan acolyte.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:36 (fourteen years ago)

I mean all that "kinder, gentler" stuff was designed so he wouldn't come off a a lapdog.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:37 (fourteen years ago)

lolomg i looved fuzzy math

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:37 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9pqmW-D14I

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:39 (fourteen years ago)

Rich Perry practiced fuzzy math. So did Herman Cain. Now they're both trapped in a lockbox.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:40 (fourteen years ago)

man I don't wanna relive Gore's Robert Blake makeup again.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:41 (fourteen years ago)

Rick...not a Freudian slip, a Romney slip.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:41 (fourteen years ago)

Newt's on CNN (from Georgia) telling folksy stories and getting all nostalgic...he's mutating into Garrison Keillor. I don't approve.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:16 (fourteen years ago)

whatever else he is, newt is not a very 'from georgia' seeming pol from georgia. but maybe i don't know georgia very well.

goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:29 (fourteen years ago)

Dead heat 35,000 votes in--this is going to be Iowa all over again.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:34 (fourteen years ago)

We're trembling!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:41 (fourteen years ago)

Oh, go listen to some late-period Rod Stewart! (I'm bringing out the heavy artillery.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:43 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=denQRG6CaBo

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:44 (fourteen years ago)

i didn't know "listen to some late-period rod stewart" meant "fuck yourself", huh

anyway, LA times doing romney's spin work, looks like

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-exit-polls-democrats-michigan-primary-20120228,0,6201649.story

goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:58 (fourteen years ago)

8:54 P.M. Romney Leads Narrowly in Oakland and Macomb
Mitt Romney leads Rick Santorum by 12 percentage points so far in precincts reporting from Oakland County, Mich., a wealthy suburban county that is his stronghold. He also leads by about 3 points in Macomb County, which is somewhat more working class but was also thought to favor Mr. Romney.

Those results, however, are probably somewhat behind the pace he would need to carry the whole state; Mr. Romney won both counties by 20 points in 2008.

These counties have reported between 3 and 4 percent of their results so far; there's a good chance that Mr. Romney's lead will expand as a more representative sample of precincts begin to report. Still, it's not a terrific result for him so far.

- Nate Silver

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:59 (fourteen years ago)

tommythek50 at 5:21 PM February 28, 2012
No surprise, this is what today's Progressive Democrats do...create chaos.  That is one of their core values. 

lol I want this to be true so bad

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:01 (fourteen years ago)

Romney's lead keeps creeping up. I don't know if the trees and inland lakes have voted yet or not, but I have a bad feeling.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:08 (fourteen years ago)

intrade going crazy for romrom tho I wonder if it's just someone making a big bet

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:20 (fourteen years ago)

The trees cast just the right vote.

nickn, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:24 (fourteen years ago)

Newtastic:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/gingrich-delivers-rambling-concession/

For more than 15 minutes, Mr. Gingrich first related several stories about his past in Georgia, including one about how he and friends tried to cut down a dying tree, only to see it crash into a house.

He then launched into a lecture about energy, the subject that he has been focused on for days.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:39 (fourteen years ago)

Meanwhile, the passion!:

Even in his old neighborhood, Mr. Romney had his detractors, and enthusiasm among his supporters seemed generally low.

Some were angry that Mr. Romney did not support the federal auto bailout in 2008. Others did not like the negative tone the candidates adopted. But many said they were forced to choose between a candidate they thought could beat President Obama in November and one who shares their personal values.

Wearing a tie printed with the American flag, Sandy Munro, 62, said he cast his vote for Mr. Santorum because he was “probably the little more moral of the two.”

“Romney was the right guy the last time around to get the country back on its feet,” he said about the 2008 election. “Now what we need is a strong political leader to do something to get us out of the moral slump that we’re in.”

In Novi, a nearby suburb, Jim Graves, 49, decided on Tuesday morning that he would vote for Mr. Romney, whom he called the “least of all the evils.”

Since losing his job at an auto supplier in 2006, Mr. Graves said, he has been able to find only part-time work. He said Mr. Romney’s business experience was impressive, though he did not seem excited about his vote.

“I’m comfortable with it,” he said about his choice. “I’ve made my peace with it.”

Pat Tschirhart, 77, said that he sided with Mr. Santorum on many social issues — especially his opposition to abortion — but that in the end chose to back Mr. Romney because he was the best “anybody but Obama” candidate.

On the western side of the state, at the Rainbow Grill in Grandville, Mich., near Grand Rapids, voters packed in to see Mr. Santorum, enthused by his stance on social issues.

Barb Northuis, 54, works in day care and voted for Mr. Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, because “he’s pro-life and has Christian values,” she said.

Her friend Sandy DeGroot, a 60-year-old banker, agreed. “We need to get back to a president with faith.” As for Mr. Romney? “No way,” she said.

Many voters, however, were still undecided, even after casting their ballots.

Jean Dalman, 84, is a church volunteer who voted for Mr. Romney on Friday by absentee ballot, but now regrets it. “I was betwixt and between,” she said. “You don’t know what the truth is. Truth has gone out the window.”

The electorate’s lack of enthusiasm has popped up again and again throughout the Republican contest, with front-runners rising and falling over the last few months.

It was noticeable again in Novi on Tuesday, where volunteers working at the polls at Holy Family Catholic Church said turnout was surprisingly light, even for a primary. A voter or two, then more waiting.

Around midday, the machine counting ballots sat silent in the empty gymnasium.

“Most of the people I know aren’t even going to take the time to vote,” said Jon Spendlove, 31, who came to the church on his day off to back Representative Ron Paul of Texas.

Campaign ads that flooded the airwaves might have added to voter fatigue, said Susan Abrams, 46, who decided on Monday night to support Mr. Romney and looks forward to things getting back to normal.

“I’m so sick of hearing about it,” she said. “I didn’t even turn on the news this morning because I knew it’s all I would hear.”

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:41 (fourteen years ago)

looking at what's left to count, I don't see a way for santorum to close this gap

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:42 (fourteen years ago)

Haha!:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cath.jpg

I’m dying to see the crosstabs on when Catholic voters decided. Did the attention given to Santorum’s criticism of JFK’s church-and-state speech this weekend possibly alienate some of them? (Note again that Romney won among voters who decided today even though Santorum crushed him among voters who decided over the past two months.) Or is something else going on? Liberal Catholics maybe reacting to Santorum’s contraception rhetoric? Theories?

Oh where to begin.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

(xpost) Unless...he calls in a favour from the superest super-delegate of them all.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:46 (fourteen years ago)

I think people read too much w/r/t 'catholic' as a predictable voting demographic these days

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:47 (fourteen years ago)

You...you heartless cynic.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:50 (fourteen years ago)

didn't john kerry lose catholics? people don't vote their religion anymore, they vote for the candidate who best matches their craziness level

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:52 (fourteen years ago)

I should expand that into a book

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

can I write a blurb or have you already chosen Morbs because he doesn't drive

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:53 (fourteen years ago)

well you can write one but I'm still not sending you a free copy

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:56 (fourteen years ago)

No copy no blurb

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 02:59 (fourteen years ago)

its not looking good out there for our boy!

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

:(

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

MSNBC just called it for Romney. lame.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:13 (fourteen years ago)

booooo

lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:14 (fourteen years ago)

my night is ruined

iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:21 (fourteen years ago)

The Republicans need to schedule a debate. That'll bring some clarity to this.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:22 (fourteen years ago)

Believe it or not there IS another debate coming up soon. Huckabee's doing some sort of new forum thing on Saturday.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:23 (fourteen years ago)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/huckabee-will-host-a-presidential-forum-on-fox-news/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:24 (fourteen years ago)

Mr. Huckabee will host his third presidential forum on Saturday, an executive for the Fox News Channel said on Tuesday. So far three candidates, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, have committed. Ron Paul has still not indicated whether he will attend.

The program, which is scheduled from 8 to 10 p.m., will be broadcast from Ohio, the executive said, speaking anonymously because a formal announcement had not been made.

Mr. Huckabee will focus the forum on jobs and the economy, a particularly potent subject in Ohio where the manufacturing sector has suffered greatly. Underscoring that distress, the setting for the event will be a now-shuttered DHL plant in Wilmington.

Wilmington was devastated when DHL, the shipping giant, reduced its United States workforce by 9,500 three years ago. The city, with only about 12,000 residents at the time, had thousands of jobs disappear.

During the program, Mr. Huckabee will be joined by Charlie Gasparino, a senior correspondent for Fox Business Network, and Elaine Chao, a labor secretary to George W. Bush and now a Fox News contributor, and three Ohio residents whose lives have been affected by the recession.

"So which of you hates unions more...oh wait, Ohio, they repealed that. Uh..."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:25 (fourteen years ago)

Mitt sure does sound like an asshole at his victory speech. He also looks like Jim Carrey both facially and in terms of his aspect - he's got that same level of emotional detachment that he can't quite act through

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 03:41 (fourteen years ago)


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