2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

And also, to compare President Obama to McGovern and Dukakis is a bit ingenious.

aero, you're starting to sound like Matt or clemenza. Would you like me to sing "Oh Susanna"?

lol Shakey has an explanation of why every horrible president with zero personal charisma & a likeability factor of nil are somehow not comparable to Rick Santorum

the problem is they're squandering their money on a field of candidates while Obama's rich folks are falling in line. If the GOP financiers unified behind a single candidate they could convince the proles to vote for, they WOULD be buying this election. But there's too huge a disconnect between the moneybags and their actual voters this time around.

how exactly do they convince millions of people w/ this extra money? the candidates will both have enough money to run as many ads as they'd ever want.

nixon was a d-bag but he was, for better or for worse, more 'viable' than santorum. he'd been vice president, he'd been in the spotlight as a major player for a long time. i don't think santorum has the same clout and i think his more virulent positions might bring him down. however, i don't think he *can't* get elected. it's pretty pathetic that the right is far gone enough to consider him a good choice and as a result it may be therefore possible for america to vote him into office in a general election.

gys dont u see just look santorum is electable totally i have a map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/ElectoralCollege1840.svg/345px-ElectoralCollege1840.svg.png

lol Shakey has an explanation of why every horrible president with zero personal charisma & a likeability factor of nil are somehow not comparable to Rick Santorum

And you're drawing comparisons to people who ran against HUBERT HUMPHREY.

lol Shakey has an explanation of why every horrible president with zero personal charisma & a likeability factor of nil are somehow not comparable to Rick Santorum

dude I'm not making this shit up. Sitting presidents have real historical and logistical advantages (Nixon in 72), as do the VPs of incredibly popular presidents (GWHB in '92), well-financed scions of powerful families also have certain advantages (GWB in '00). These are real, quantifiable things that Santorum does not have.

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nixon did not have 'zero personal charisma & likeability' you fucking hippie!

I agree general with you there omar but have you seen de Antonio's Millhouse? A worthwhile watch for anybody who ever says, of anyone, "this clown could never get elected"

Now when I think of personal charisma, I think of Sen. Metrodome.

Nixon's problem, as omar and Shakey have said, is that he was in '68 too well-known: everyone knew his political convictions, insofar as he had any.

Santorum's problem is that he's got six months for the general public to acquaint himself with his positions before they vomit on his lap.

anyway, that nyrb story features the sentence “Santorum has begun discussing what the consequences are for the movie industry.”

this thread made me think of this band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJc7F3vhx4U

like, all those dudes were huge figures in their party who had been around for decades, had extensive networks of supporters, had put in their time hewing to the party line and building national campaign apparatuses. Santorum is not those dudes.

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he hopes that's vomit.

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guys i have a map and an italian movie

I got popcorn!

i think talking about whether or not you personally like a presidential candidate is a really valuable rubric for figuring out that candidates chances

idk i have a good way of stating this but in 68 and 72 nixon's 'unlikeability' was one of this strengths (if perlstein reads history right anyway) while santorum's unlikeability in 2012 is just unlikeability

More relevant:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/ElectoralCollege1844.svg/350px-ElectoralCollege1844.svg.png

dude I'm not making this shit up. Sitting presidents have real historical and logistical advantages (Nixon in 72), as do the VPs of incredibly popular presidents (GWHB in '92), well-financed scions of powerful families also have certain advantages (GWB in '00). These are real, quantifiable things that Santorum does not have.

incumbents do have a 'real quantifiable advantage' and well-financed scions are more likely to have found a path to political office than yr average joe.

santorum doesn't have much political support in the gop at this point in the game, and that does matter a lot. and romney does have a financial advantage in the primaries. but once you're in the hundreds of millions of dollars it just *stops mattering*, campaigns spend on the stupidest shit.

2012 republican presidential nominee IV: i have a map and an italian movie

NEEDS MORE BOOING

^^^I have raised a lot of money for that thread title, it better fucking win

I even bought yard signs and shit

i think talking about whether or not you personally like a presidential candidate is a really valuable rubric for figuring out that candidates chances

is this inverse correlative or are you accusing me of liking Rick Santorum because if so sir we must have words

the problem is they're squandering their money on a field of candidates while Obama's rich folks are falling in line.

I'm pretty sure the Koch brothers could drop $100mn apiece in the general and plan on getting a healthy ROI. GOP backers squandering their money early does not seem to be much of an issue tbh

http://wiki-images.enotes.com/thumb/f/f4/ElectoralCollege1888.svg/350px-ElectoralCollege1888.svg.png

GOP backers squandering their money early does not seem to be much of an issue tbh

we'll see. dunno how eager these guys are to throw good money after bad.

uh yeah, exactly

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/02/what-are-democrats-for-santorum-thinking.html

well will what are you thinking, plz tell jonathan chait

dems predicting half a billion funneling into gop super pacs in the general, so itll prob end up twice that, god save all american tv watchers

PPP intriguingly finds that 55% of the Santorum Democrats actually like him, against 40% who are just messing with Romney.

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dems predicting half a billion funneling into gop super pacs in the general, so itll prob end up twice that,

does not compute, it's in the dems interest to OVERestimate how much the GOP will dump into the election

"just messing with Romney"

yeah i'm gonna want to kill someone just to see jamie lee curtis and her shitty yogurts again come november

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I feel goole drifting over to the "it could happen" side

PPP intriguingly finds that 55% of the Santorum Democrats actually like him, against 40% who are just messing with Romney.

I imagine this is a pretty small sample set to begin w/ and it's mostly reagan dem types who are gonna vote gop regardless

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Nixon was a total scumbag, but he was an extremely skillful politician. I can well recall how frustrating it was to have him manipulating Americans through appeals to their fears, anger, insecurities and ignorance. He took full advantage of his having no conscience, no scruples and no ideology; these traits freed him to pursue power by every means at his disposal, untroubled by any of his crimes.

Santorum ain't no Nixon.

does not compute, it's in the dems interest to OVERestimate how much the GOP will dump into the election

― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:43 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh i just think theyre prob wrong is all, shit always gets more heated than people imagine, wake up the next morning theres cigarette buts in the fish tank

did ppp ask how many democrats plan to mess around with santorum today

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/15/magazine/what-are-the-chances-for-republicans.html?pagewanted=all

this is a fun lil toy

i guess my position is 'it could happen but the chance is so low it's not worth sacrificing lols worrying about'

according to nate silver, santorum needs GDP growth to be +.5% this yr to have over 50% chance of winning, provided that obamas approval rating holds

http://i.imgur.com/LrxOl.png

guys there is nothing to worry abt jeez put away yr maps

gdp growth is prob the right thing to look at but if that's purely based on historical campaigns it prob underestimates the fact that no matter who is the candidate is they are gonna run a terrible, terrible campaign

good articles about candidate rick santorum!

as a young man:

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/101101/rick-santorum-college-liberal-conservative

how catholic conservatives came to sound like evangelicals when talking about the separation of church and state: (hint it's abortion)

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/5736/

yeah I found it interesting that his whole crazy religious nut thing is apparently just 'good politics' for him

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/15/magazine/what-are-the-chances-for-republicans.html?pagewanted=all

this is a fun lil toy

protip put on some Orbital and toggle the uncertainty button on the 1s and 3s