Larry Charles to direct Borat movie

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"Borat made me depressed and unemployed!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ha haa ha!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, do you know who Bob Barr is? That makes the joke rise above mere gross-out.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Similarly, the fact that he had a sit-down with Alan Keyes to talk about wrestling and showering with gay guys?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

The southern dinner party guests speak.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

"People in the congregation don't need to be embarrassed about anything I did in the movie," he said. "I can't endorse the movie. It's R-rated.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

This been posted yet?

Mahir "I Kiss You" wants to sue Borat, in November's Wired magazine:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.11/play.html?pg=4

StanM (StanM), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

This movie is great

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the story was incredibly well tied to the humor and I think I could pretty well suss when something was rehearsed and when it was spontaneous. The frat boys didn't pick him up while he was hitchiking, obviously, but they were clearly unaware of who he was - they were just in on the hitchiking 'set-up.' Similarly, I'm sure the baywatch book worked the same way - the people acting were entirely unaware.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

So what is the story with the dinner party? That article makes it sound like "Satirist views politeness towards assholes as collaboration", which is one of the things that's making me not see it in the first place.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Similarly, I'm sure the baywatch book worked the same way - the people acting were entirely unaware.

Even Pamela Anderson? I kinda doubt it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

the article is very tut-tutting. the scene is funnier, even if the set-up is a repeat from a TV bit. The pay-off is better, tho.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, check out the IMDb profile of "Luenell".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Even Pamela Anderson? I kinda doubt it.

This I admit was the one thing I've been wondering most about.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm quite sure Pamela was not aware in advance. If she was, its much less funny.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Nice logic there.

Yeah, I know the article is obviously one-sided, but if it reflects reality at all, I don't get what they do to actually deserve it? Or is it just The Jerky Boys: The Film? (yes, I'm aware of what several of his other targets have done).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly don't care if pahMELah was in on it or not, to be honest. It provided a funny and well-awkward climax to the narrative.

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get what they do to actually deserve it?

with the dinner party, it's not that they actually deserve it, it's more just "japery amongst the upper classes."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm quite sure Pamela was not aware in advance. If she was, its much less funny.

If she wasn't in on the joke I really wouldn't find the last scene funny at all, because the bottom line is that then you would be laughing at a man sexually attacking a woman (nevermind that the woman in question is Pamela Anderson). Yes, the set-up was supposed to make it a satirical, but I found little satire in that particular scene. You're not laughing at Borat the sexist there (at this point he's already become a sympathetic character), you're laughing at him attacking a woman, and I don't think even Pamela Anderson deserves it. As I said, Borat's schtick is only funny when the bigot or the racist or the sexist (or anyone in power) is the object of the joke. Would it have been funny if Borat's would've grabbed the tits and ass of some random women on the street? Or if he would've hurled some racist epithets to the black guys he met?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

It was pretty funny when he was trying to kiss random dudes on the street.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Probably.

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polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, and that's exactly because men (as compared to women) are in power. It's the same reason you can laugh at black comedians making jokes about white people, but not vice versa.

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Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

yes you can

and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomos, he didn't try to sexually assault her he [censored to avoid ruining the ending]

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

The inference made by the people there is that he was GOING to, but everyone watching the film is in on the joke so the thread never exists; we know he wouldnt actually do it because we know its a character.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

thread = threat

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomos, he didn't try to sexually assault her he [censored to avoid ruining the ending]

Oh? If you were the woman in question, how would you interpret it? Few attacks by random men towards women are not sexual in nature.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Which is why I can only find some humor in the scene if I knew Pamela was in on the joke.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

she must have been in on the joke -- why else would she have RUN AROUND THE STORE like that?

gbx (skowly), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

because a man was chasing her?

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Borat & his producer would argue in hebrew, right?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, it's a tight rope Cohen is walking in the film. Obviously we're supposed to be critical of his character, but making him a sympathetic fellow we're also kind of rooting for him.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Which is why the TV series works better in this aspect, because his character isn't built there, he doesn't have a story of his own.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ali G. ruins Pam Anderson's dog wedding
By Lila Holland - TV.com
[b]August 25, 2005 at 04:55:00 PM[/b] | more stories by this author

A beautiful commitment ceremony between Pamela Anderson's two dogs was rudely interrupted when Ali G. star Sacha Baron Cohen--who is engaged to Wedding Crashers actress Isla Fisher--arrived uninvited at the event.

A surprise visit from Borat Sagdiyev temporarily halted the wedding of Star and Luca Pamela Anderson's two canine companions were about to pledge their undying devotion on a sunny Malibu beach last Wednesday, August 17, when a strange sea-craft was sighted just offshore. Chihuahua Luca, golden retriever Star, and gathered friends and loved ones eyed the vessel with suspicion until Sacha Baron Cohen emerged from the surf astride an inflatable turtle, calling to mind the frothy romance of Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus."

Cohen, in character as Kazakhstani TV reporter Borat, wore shorts with a leather jacket and cap and brandished a white keytar. Once ashore, the oft-reviled comedian sprinted toward Anderson and felled her with a perfectly executed rugby tackle, causing her to drop the beloved Luca. The Stacked actress struggled to her feet and brushed sand off of her long white gown as her loyal bodyguards seized the interloper, dragged him back to the shore, and dunked him in the hungry waves. The wedding party quickly composed itself, and the ceremony continued without further incident.

This disturbance was just the latest in a string of ill-received pranks orchestrated by Da Ali G. Show's Cohen, whose fame has made it increasingly difficult for him to avoid being recognized while "working." Early this year, Cohen (as Borat) was booted from a rodeo in Salem, Virginia, after he butchered the national anthem, made disturbingly violent antiterrorist statements, and suggested that President George W. Bush drink the blood of "every man, woman, and child" killed in Iraq. Last month, "Borat" dined at a Mississippi plantation house on the pretense of learning about Southern culture, but implied that his host's family was racist and supportive of slavery.

Cohen recently lent his voice to the DreamWorks movie Madagascar, in which he played an animated lemur. He is now working on his own Borat: The Movie and a NASCAR comedy in which he'll star opposite Will Ferrell.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, we gotta go back thru the other borat threads for all those newsbits from last year when he was filming.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Anderson must have been in on it (at least somewhat.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I'm reading that as an implication that she was probably in on it.

...gathered friends and loved ones eyed the vessel with suspicion until Sacha Baron Cohen emerged from the surf astride an inflatable turtle, calling to mind the frothy romance of Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus."

GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Also that has got to be the same rodeo incident.

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately it was not filmed (at least according to Jay Roach.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

i heard about the rodeo incident when it happened. they were really, really, really unhappy with him.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say (in the film at least) Borat is not just a character that tries to bring up the worst in real people, he's a also someone to both identify with and to distance oneself to, someone who allows us laugh at taboo subjects, while at the same time allowing us to feel above such sentiments because were "not like him". Which I guess can be healthy, but such humor is always on the verge of simply indulging on political incorrectness for no specific reason except that, what with PC being the norm, it seems "radical". However, to credit Cohen, I think he most of the time he manages to avoid this.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, from the news articles that came out about it, it sounded like they wanted to lynch him. the film crew had to pile into the back of the ice cream truck to bug out of town as quick as they could.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

the movie was underwhelming. cohen pulled a lot of punches, became oddly polite to avoid pushing things too far (this was likely done in the editing room), which was somewhat of a relief (i have a hard time sitting through that) but also disconcerting. it was a paler version of the tv show, and i can't help but to think that the critics lauding it ("BORAT: FUNNIEST MOVIE EVER?" --actual hed) never saw the tv show in the first place, thus the shock value was intact. it also relied very heavily on obvious setups: pam anderson, dinner party, the bear, meeting the producer in la, etc. and of course it has to rely on these things, but i wanted complete immersion, not a winking dance between artifice and sitcom gag. the two funniest parts of the movie: the local tv news interview and the gypsy yard sale bit. and yet, at my screening, NO ONE laughed at these things.

i also thought the atlanta stuff was somewhat odd, especially the borat appropriating hip-hop slang thing, which was an obvious gag that felt beneath the clueless bumbling/darkest reveals shtick that made us pay attention to borat in the first place. i was also struck by how diligently cohen avoided bringing anything of race into the film (this depending on whether you view jewishness as a race or religion), especially in the frat boy scene. there was definitely some ugly shit left on the avid there.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

the two funniest parts of the movie: the local tv news interview and the gypsy yard sale bit. and yet, at my screening, NO ONE laughed at these things.

You were at the wrong screening then. (Our audience pretty much was roffling stop to start.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

there's cut scenes on YT right now, i wonder how much will be on the dvd

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Things I want on the DVD:

Cut/full versions of scenes. (Seeing how much was done with the editing will be a treat.)

Various press appearances for the film in character, including the Kazakh embassy crashing and showing up at the White House

Commentary track...in character. (If not that, then Baron-Cohen, Roach and Charles all sitting around bullshitting is fine too.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how he 'avoided' race, he never comments or otherwise editorializes on shit like that, he lets it speak for itself.

I also don't see this as a 'paler' version of the TV show, the disappointment i felt was only in how much it was LIKE the tv show - still felt like the plot was very well integrated.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

i thought the hooker was a touch

she was in on it eventually, but whatever, imagine you're turning tricks one night in downtown atlanta and you get this call...

by the smile on her face in the final scene i'm naively assuming that they (SBC/producers) got her in touch with a life-changing sum of money...

i laughed. the running chicken gag. the wrestling scene. the wedding sack. oh dear.

beeble (beeble), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

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deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

a source VERY close to the filmmakers told me Pamela WAS in on the joke. how else would they have done that without getting sued/arrested? also, a lawyer was on set for every single take, and they had the cops called on them around 60 times.
this movie is amazing -- i can't wait to see it again!

something less threatening (heywood), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)


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