ilx project imo
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
^^^my public relations rep tbh
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
dunno -- i think you underestimate college coaches' self-interest
― mookieproof, Friday, February 24, 2012 10:35 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
idk, 0.5% of ncaa basketball players are asian-americans - it's not a... received notion that asian american players can be good at bball
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
'thank you all for coming. I can confirm that my client did make those comments about jeremy lin, but can explain everything....'
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
UNC and Kansas had the chance to get him and ignored him. Everyone except Harvard and Brown ignored him.
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
yes, but if an asian-american high school player were considered awesome, i don't at all think college coaches would be like fuck that guy
the rating of high school players is more problematic, on any number of levels
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
do you think this was prejudice or shitty scouting?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
High school careerIn his senior year in 2005–2006, Lin captained Palo Alto High School to a 32–1 record and upset nationally ranked Mater Dei, 51–47, for the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) Division II state title.[16][17] He was named first-team All-State and Northern California Division II Player of the Year, ending his senior year averaging 15.1 points, 7.1 assists, 6.2 rebounds and 5.0 steals.[16]
In his senior year in 2005–2006, Lin captained Palo Alto High School to a 32–1 record and upset nationally ranked Mater Dei, 51–47, for the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) Division II state title.[16][17] He was named first-team All-State and Northern California Division II Player of the Year, ending his senior year averaging 15.1 points, 7.1 assists, 6.2 rebounds and 5.0 steals.[16]
I know it's not like he played for one of the prep schools known for feeding D1 schools, but still, he sent his tapes to UCLA, stanford, other D1 schools.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
mookie, this has been covered before but there are def stereotypes out there that asians in general are just bad at sports, are slower, smaller, weaker, etc. and it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that scouts harbor those stereotypes either consciously or unconsciously.
― flagp∞st (dayo), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
ok. it wouldn't surprise me in the least to have scouts harbor stereotypes either.
i'm claiming (hoping?) that basketball coaches want to win more than they want to be discriminatory. let us hope that #17's emergence fosters a broader net for their trawling.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
mookie I am sure they believe that too, but that doesn't mean their decision making doesn't incorporate received wisdom / stereotypes / etc.
― iatee, Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link
like they don't 'want to be discriminatory' they are just bad at making race-neutral judgments
― iatee, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
t's not like the country went wild with Godzilla references over Ichiro Suzuki
― Nhex, Saturday, 25 February 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Friday, February 24, 2012 10:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bingo
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/5888295/
was posted in the 'is this racist'
I know that east asian romanization conventions are hard (nevermind that we've had at least 10 years of exposure to such via yao ming), and this guy's name is a potential minefield - both dong, and gook, in one name ! - but very conveniently his surname is totally ordinary and bypasses the other two words entirely!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
insane that its ESPN AGAIN
― D-40, Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
Lee Dong-Gook stats for season
2007–2008 Middlesbrough 23 (0)
― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
lol lin went to palo alto
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
I just remember I have a friend who went to palo alto and is also taiwanese-american
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
remembered
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
I also have a friend who went to palo alto and is taiwanese-american (haha I already told dayo this tho)
― iatee, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
Weird thing is that in the article, they do use Lee where a surname would be used.
― pplains, Sunday, 26 February 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
isn't lee the surname?
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 26 February 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I meant.
― pplains, Sunday, 26 February 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
So they did it right in the story, but went the wrong way in the headline.
Racist headline writers are taking over America.
my wife made a comment the other day to the effect that 'Headline writer innocently didn't think/know of racist meaning to the word "chink"' was her take on this and i was all oh shit you did not just say that, trust me you're wrong
― DNRIYHM NATION 1814 (some dude), Sunday, 26 February 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, you'd have to be living under a rock not to know. I learned the word at like age 9 or 10 from an episode of Sanford and Son.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
even those in my circle that are the type that go out of their way to defend indefensible people kind of backed down on defending this guy...
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/ben-jerry-replaces-fortune-cookies-lin-sanity-flavor-162728739.html
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
also, not racist but...kinda creates an image I don't think Yahoo! intended to:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6177/lolsqb.jpg
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
I still think the headline writer made an innocent (read: not malicious/intentional) mistake, but he should still get fired for the crime of being too fucking stupid to do his job correctly
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
The most OTM part of this is that dude's firing was justified regardless of intent.
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, actually, if you think dude should have kept his job for any reason, it's a pretty good litmus test for "You might be a racist if..."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'm sort of been mesmerized by the idea of having fortune cookie pieces in my ice cream since this ben & jerry's thing
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
i'd gladly enjoy that flavor combo even if it meant tacitly supporting casual racism tbh
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
It should have been cherry froyo to represent Harvard IMO
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxpost except that I think that "chink in the armor" wouldn't have made sense in any other context. The dude had only completed his 9th start at the time (and only 10th game in where he appeared for more than 30 minutes). "Chink in the armor" in a sports context is used to describe some kind of powerhouse (player, team), that has previously seemed indestructible that now exhibits a visible flaw, like if Michael Jordan had ever lost in the Finals.
It's not a phrase that makes sense to use for a player who most of the world hadn't heard of a month earlier, that had a series of hot games (with noticeable flaws), and then just had an off night. That's why I think the author was intentionally making a pun, because had it been any other player, I don't think he would have chosen those words. My money is more on the idea that he didn't think "Chink" was offensive, or that he was being cute.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
or that he THOUGHT he was being cute, that should say
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
no, it made sense, we've been over this. it was a stupid and offensive headline, which is why he was fired
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
have you guys ever had lychee flavored anything? it's awesome
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
in martinis and yes it is awesome
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yes lychee is great
― robbery by sudden snatching (DJP), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
Lychees are delicious, canned or fresh. (/food derail)
xp
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxpost It made sense in that people ostensibly knew what the copy writer meant. But it wasn't used properly. "Chink in the armor" is a term that makes more sense when applied to, like, the Boston Celtics losing back to back games in the 2007 NBA Playoffs, than to describe a turnover prone PG that just moved into the starting lineup having an off night.
Regardless, he deserved to be fired, but since this thread is about the author's "intent"....
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't believe I've had lychee
I usually buy canned lychees because fresh lychees are so hit-or-miss. either fresh and unbelievably sweet and tasty, or they're unripe and sour or too ripe and off...
― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
The article said part of the reason they took them out is the cookie bits got too soggy. It would probably work if you added them on your own.
― Male Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Nutsack (Abbbottt), Sunday, 26 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
look for these in the candy section of ye international grocery:
http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/f5/6/AAAAAr6W4O8AAAAAAPVmgQ.jpg?v=1208747337000
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Sunday, 26 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
xpost racisttoppings.jpg
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 26 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link