Actually what does he say at the beginning? "Now then"?
― He's like a big coloured steamroller (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
If so, that is how i am going to open all my conversations from now on.
That's Jimmy Saville, another possible subject for the pen of David Peace
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Guy on Facebook sez Haines' memoir has Peace foreword where Peace claims to have listened to loads of Auteurs records to get himself in a murder-book-writin' frame of mind
always kind of assumed given Peace's stern i-hate-films-and-comedy stance that Haines' admiration/writing of bad songs about Leeds would of been unwelcome
― Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link
GB84. Read it now. Oh, you can't - it's not out for another fortnight.
::hugs own proof copy like a miser::
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 27 February 2004 16:54 (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is the worst post ever btw
― Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd love to have been able to read The Damned Utd from the persepctive of having no knowledge of football or who Brian Clough was, wonder how it would read
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, January 8, 2009 1:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dyou reckon it would work? i have the vaguest idea of who clough was -- soundbitey football manager -- but this is basically me; would i like the book?
(fucking five years since i started this thread and still haven't turned page one of a peace book. fuck this phd imo.)
xpost
ye gods
― DANCE MUSIC STUCK AT RECOMBINANT PLATEAU (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link
love thread's first reply it is perfect well only when followed by the second
― conrad, Friday, 9 January 2009 11:51 (fifteen years ago) link
But such a great set up for the follow-ups.
Just ordered the Quartet on Amazon. Am gonna try to read 'em quickly, though "The Rest is Noise" is still on the go after six months so we'll see.
Enrique, I know about as much about football as you and I got along fine.
― Enrique (Raw Patrick), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
xp
my non-thesis reading is 'homicide: a year on the killing streets', to be followed by haines, as it goes, so it is a logical progression. the quartet does look tasty.
― DANCE MUSIC STUCK AT RECOMBINANT PLATEAU (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm waiting to see Homocide cheap enough somewhere to be an impulse buy. Same with the Haines really. Even though I can't stand the guy's music.
― Enrique (Raw Patrick), Friday, 9 January 2009 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i bought n/homicide not long after starting this thread - cheaper but uglier object. it's very good.
― DANCE MUSIC STUCK AT RECOMBINANT PLATEAU (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 9 January 2009 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link
‘A compelling read, part Oswald Spengler, part Spike Milligan, and very, very funny.‘ - David Peace
Peace channeling Alison Graham
― Glans Christian Christian christian Christian Andersen (MPx4A), Friday, 9 January 2009 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link
― Enrique (Raw Patrick), Friday, 9 January 2009 11:52 (1 week ago) Bookmark
I finished the lot in a week. Feel kinda weird now.
Am starting GB84 tomorrow.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Dude could do with a new author photo though. The current one looks a bit A A Gill.
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Tokyo Year Zero is really good but typically bewildering towards the end
― Glans Kafka (MPx4A), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Understating wildly.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
The other D. Peace thread gets at his sometimes confusing endings. It has spoilers though, don't look if you haven't read the books:
David Peace
― Glansel & Gretel (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 00:14 (fifteen years ago) link
The quartet are being sold for £4 each on amazon, so I got them and a book about Stalin for £20, bargain. I've wanted to read Peace since I saw a documentary about him a good few years ago (was really taken with the idea him researching Yorkshire in a Tokyo library) but never got round to it.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
i read 1974 last night in one insomniac sitting. Thought it was excellent and quite unrelentingly violent and grim and can't help but think the TV adaptation is going to pull a few punches and ruin it. Going to start on 1977 after I do a bit of hoovering and make some bolognese.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Monday, 2 February 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Peace writing in Observer Sport Mag yesterday.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/01/rio-ferdinand-world-club-championship
― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Monday, 2 February 2009 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
im reassured that rebecca hall is in the tv show.
― special guest stars mark bronson, Friday, 13 February 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Before xmas when I was back in Newcastle they had cheap copies of Tokyo: Year Zero everywhere but now I'm back in London I haven't seen one anywhere.
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 12:46 (fifteen years ago) link
finished the quartet today, definitely going to check some of his other books soon. Although the style did get sort of start sliding in to self-parody after a while through the sheer repetition of, well, repetition.
x and yy and xxyandxand y
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I was kinda surprised how many song lyrics he worked into the quartet, not as direct quotes but assimilated into the prose. I like how dude reps for early-80s anarcho-punk too.
What happens to the journalist, Eddie, out of the first book? We never find out right, or am I being dense?
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think we ever find out. But as I read the books in 3 or 4 hour spells in the early hours of the morning and some of it is a bit oblique I may be being dense.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure we're never told but I fucking raced through them all four in a week so I thought maybe it was in a single sentence that I never caught somewhere.
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I keep seeing people and thinking Bad Fucking Bowie.
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:06 (fifteen years ago) link
can lend you T:YZ if you promise not to abscond to Sheff with it etc
I like that the antagonist journalist in the first book just acts like a cunt to Eddie the whole time, but then becomes the protagonist in the second book and is clearly obsessed with and horrified by whatever happened to him
― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
the books have reconfirmed and strengthened my impression, gleaned from one night spent there, that Leeds is a fucking hellhole.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
the first time I ever visited Leeds, within two minutes of leaving the train station an unkempt man drinking white lightning threatened to kill me and another member of this forum for being gays who spread AIDS
― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i was in a taxi and the driver said we shouldn't go where we were going because there were going to be darkies there. Then two junkies were in the street in front of us and one of them swung a punch at the other causing him to fall in front of the taxi which swerved last minute to avoid running him over and nearly crashed us in to a lightpost. He then dropped us off outside two pubs, one of which he said he really liked and frequented and which was called "the queens's something or other" and had a large Union Jack outside it. So we went to the other pub. This was called the Pointer Bar and on a Friday night had a clientele of, excluding our group, four, all old, all Irish. We put the Irish rebel songs on the jukebox and played pool with them.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Nothing else bad happened but Chapeltown is a dump of truly Glaswegian proportions. I was impressed (in a bad way).
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
When I went to Leeds I saw Darren Hayman. It weren't that terrifying.
The switchover of characters between the books is really well done.
I'll grab T:Y0 sometime MPx4A.
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link
DP really put me off Leeds. It was OK when I visited in 2002 but I don't think I'd feel happy going back now.
― the pinefox, Friday, 13 February 2009 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
'Leeds' is an unusually horrible name for a town or city
Leeds United are an unusually horrible football club
in a sense, Leeds could be the worst place in Britain.
― the pinefox, Friday, 13 February 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link
yes, in a sense, a very strange sense were we judge the merits of a place on its football club, how its name sounds and its portrayals in crime fiction.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I like Leeds. Good sushi there!
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
The names of the coppers in the 4tet are VERY similar to those that actually worked on the case considering what he has them do.
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
TV adaptation is brilliant.
― Pete W, Friday, 13 February 2009 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link
how much does it pull punches. i mean, first two books have protagonists anal raping.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Leeds can't be worse than E16. ^That Observer article^ is very amusing
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 13 February 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link
nah it probably isn't. Read numerous reports that call parts of London and parts of Glasgow the most deprived areas in Britain and I can believe it.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:25 (fifteen years ago) link
When is the TV adaption broadcast?
― Bernard's Butler (Raw Patrick), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Tokyo Year Zero was really the last straw. Peace's style is so irritating. That book could have been like four pages long. And yes, ha ha, I know it's about repetition. But there's good repetition and then there's charmless, dull repetition.
― swedes put dill on fields of salmon (fields of salmon), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
It's been a while since I've read the books so can't recall specifics (there's no anal rape [who does that to who?], unless it is alluded to so subtly I missed it, which wouldn't be impossible), but it really captures the spirit of bleakness, misery and corruption, even the repetition (?! - xpost) of Peace's style. It couldn't be much darker without becoming completely unwatchable - ie, it's the right side of Catherine Breillat.
And Sean Bean is great.
Only seen the first mind, so it could go downhill.
― Pete W, Friday, 13 February 2009 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
anal rape: Eddie Dunford to Paula what's her face in the first one (tells her he loves her and is then having sex with her, then forces anal sex on her).
the cop Bob Fraser to a prostitute when he's looking for Janice after she disappears in the second one.
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Damned Utd could have done with an anal rape scene.
― Pete W, Friday, 13 February 2009 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
― Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 13 February 2009 14:41 (fifteen years ago) link