rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWxGMqI_SE&feature=player_embedded

o hey i graduated hammond ten years later

I think I beat your school's quiz bowl team a few times in HS.

not surprising!

Huh. so are you from King's Contrivance?

yes, and we eat there every mother's day.

Yeah, my folks still live out there. I take my family to visit them once a month or so.

aw, that's so racist

jeez, not sure it's necessary to personalize this in such aggressive terms (said to both of you). wasn't trying to say that no one has a right to be offended, just that i don't perceive clear evidence of racist intent on the reporter's part. maybe, maybe not, and i'm inclined to presume innocence in such cases. that's just me, though. i fully expect others to read things differently...

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

asian americans have said, loudly and unambiguously, that it was a racist remark. I don't understand where there's room for your interpretation or why you keep on pressing the point?

super late to this but 'what about his eyes": Greg Kelly's employment is almost entirely based on him regularly saying the most wtf/facepalm things...he's clip regular on The Soup, fwiw

def racist

File under "yes, this is really fucking racist and sexist":

Dave Mustaine to African women: "Put a plug in it."

am i too late to get in on the southern maryland talk w/ zach and beachville?

if we limit discussion to american history x we can cover both racism and edward norton

asian americans have said, loudly and unambiguously, that it was a racist remark. I don't understand where there's room for your interpretation or why you keep on pressing the point?

― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:15 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

people have a right to take offense at whatever they want, and in this case they have every reason to do so. i don't dispute that. all i've been talking about is intent. i don't see any clear evidence of racist intent on the guy's part (as opposed to taco mayor, who clearly intended the slur). that doesn't necessarily excuse the news dork or deny anybody the right to consider his remark racist regardless of intent.

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so everybody's required to be a mindreader now? or people have to hold up giant signs that say "I AM INTENDING TO BE RACIST?" what is this magical 'intent test' that must be satisfied? why the fuck am I even arguing with you on this absurd point?

also weird when you're like ISN'T IT MORE RACIST TO THINK THAT THIS RACIST THING IS RACIST

well tbf it's equally as racist, just reversed

racist manslaughter vs racist homicide

I think we've already established that I'm the racist here, which contenderizer helpfully pointed out

lol u did like ghettohikes

ok, here's what i don't understand: if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?

xp yeah and I feel shitty about it and have felt shitty about it ever since. I apologize for ever liking ghettohikes!

I'm 28. I have a full time job leading urban kids to watch Jeremy Lin play hoops. I simply write down shit they say.

so everybody's required to be a mindreader now? or people have to hold up giant signs that say "I AM INTENDING TO BE RACIST?" what is this magical 'intent test' that must be satisfied? why the fuck am I even arguing with you on this absurd point?

― flagp∞st (dayo), Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:46 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

gah, this wasn't even my thing! i didn't bring the argument in question into the thread. other people were already talking about the dude's intent. seeing that, said that i don't think the guy intended a slur. i wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it or anything.

at this point, you, dayo, decided to take me to task, saying that i was denying people's right to take offense. i responded to that, and you've been bashing me hard ever since.

if you're contenderizer and you just started a big thread about how you feel pained about how ppl perceive you on ilx, and then this comes up, and you suggest that maybe it isn't racist, and then ppl say, no it is, what are you hoping to get out of persisting? like, why does a contenderizer care enough about whether this off-color remark about a basketball player for the NY Knicks is racist or not to persist arguing about it?

dude, i'm just talking in a thread. i've been subtly and directly accused of racism by several people here, it sort of makes sense for me to at least try and clarify where i'm coming from, imo.

in ironic light of that, i'm truly sorry that i accused you of racism, dayo. thought i wasn't really serious, it was a thoughtless and fucked-up way to make my point (that it's perhaps a little weird to automatically assume that a reference to an asian person's eyes must be a racist invocation of supposed difference).

trust me dude, your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

so you think your point is still valid, then?

well, yes and no. i do think that it's worthwhile to at least consider intent, to the limited extent that we can ever know it. nevertheless, i was wrong to minimize the offense, to say that it wasn't racism. i was underestimating the power and pervasiveness of the stereotype.

the power and pervasiveness of racism, not to put too fine a point on it

your point is not so subtle that you need to clarify where you're coming from.

yeah, i know. still, you have to kind of expect people to defend themselves when challenged.

What if he's expressing his racist thoughts but doesn't know it/is unaware of them? Are we supposed to tolerate that?

What I mean is: just because you're not consciously aware of being a racist doesn't mean you're not a racist. Re, the news person

Also lin's not that hot idk

well he sure did turn the ball over a lot tonight
so i no longer like any asians ever

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'"

"that punch in the face hurt like hell"

"but he didn't mean to hit you"

"that does not make my face not hurt"

We have not and will not flag your post and you're free to take your opinions elsewhere. I'd rather not call the mods, but if you insist on continuing to disturb our posters I will. Please leave.

wtf, that's just obnoxious from the other end. no one needs to be threatened by self-appointed ilx posse spokespeople. plz don't speak for me, ok?

Stand down mordy, i's a HOOS in-joke

standing down

it's funny, now that you mention it, i get the in-joke, but it seemed painfully sincere when i first read it

board politics; tearing ILX apart

I just like that forks can call off Mordy.

condz this isn't me coming at you this is me saying "if a person of color says he is offended by a remark it is not really your place to roll in and say 'no no your feelings are invalid'

well, that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment. there are lots of regular ILX posters about whom i know very little. you have to spend a fair amount of time here and pay close attention to sometimes subtle cues to begin to be able to accurately sort people by things like race and gender. i initially responded to dayo without considering that, which, in retrospect, was thoughtless of me.

Subtle cues like the WDYLL thread?

some people never look at those threads (although we pick up other cues from people's posts)

fwiw, not everyone participates in those though

that brings up the interesting invisibility of race in a virtual environment.

It isn't "invisibility", it's "normalization".

Right. Like, would it have been OK if you were certain it was "just us white guys" talking?