abortion classic or dud?

and Trayce, here's the video you mentioned upthread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

This is kind of interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC/AAT

http://www.guernicamag.com/features/3535/ptacin_3_1_12

oh god, three days for a D&E? I feel so bad for the writer :(

I feel the need to point out that the name of the procedure is a dilation and extraction or evacuation, not excavation. Her uterus isn't an archeological site.

http://images.45cat.com/the-cramps-whats-inside-a-girl-big-beat.jpg

Is a d&e the same as a d&c? I've only ever heard ”d&c” used in nz.

D&C happens in first trimester, D&E later.

Those 3 choices. "So, no to all of them but which one would I say no to the least." Fuck.

And the convo with the mother about giving birth to the dead baby just ripped me apart.

I feel the need to point out that the name of the procedure is a dilation and extraction or evacuation, not excavation. Her uterus isn't an archeological site.

― kate78, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

yeah 'excavation' kinda threw me, I was like 'that's a bit of an extreme name for a procedure isn't it?'

I had images of frog dissection where the parts are splayed out and pinned and affixed with labels and I was v unhappy

Tennessee to facilitate murder of abortion providers:

A new bill headed for a vote by a Tennessee House committee this week targets abortion providers by requiring the state’s Department of Health to publish detailed information about doctors on a public website.

Known as H.B. 3308, or the “Life Defense Act of 2012,” the bill would not actually level any real “defense” of human embryos. Instead, it would require the Tennessee Department of Health to publish more detailed information about abortions carried out in the state, including the names of doctors who performed them and the hospitals they work with.

It would also require detailed statistics on abortions, including time, date, the woman’s medical conditions at the time, the age of the fetus, the type of procedure performed, the location of the procedure, and the woman’s age, race and marital status, along with details on how many times she has been pregnant.

While all states collect some basic information on abortions, H.B. 3308 would make Tennessee’s reporting the most detailed in the nation.

the amount of time that tennessee state legislators spend on mean-spirited vindicitve bullshit is just amazing

i sort of wish that story elaborated on what roeder's public justification for that bill is

I started doing some digging to see the number of politicians murdered in Tennessee versus the number of doctors who performed abortions and ran across this wholly fascinating case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Looper

yeahh

Texas State Senator's Office Firebombed: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/sen-wendy-davis-fort-worth-office-hit-with-molotov-cocktail/

Apparently she is one of the very few pro-Planned Parenthood legislators in the state.

insane.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2012/03/31/at-11th-hour-georgia-passes-women-as-livestock-bill/

After an emotional 14-hour workday that included fist-fights between lobbyists and a walk-out by women Democrats, the Georgia House passed a Senate-approved bill Thursday night that criminalizes abortion after 20 weeks.

The bill, which does not contain rape or incest exemptions, is expected to receive a signature from Republican Gov. Nathan Deal.
Commonly referred to as the “fetal pain bill” by Georgian Republicans and as the “women as livestock bill” by everyone else, HB 954 garnered national attention this month when state Rep. Terry England (R-Auburn) compared pregnant women carrying stillborn fetuses to the cows and pigs on his farm. According to Rep. England and his warped thought process, if farmers have to “deliver calves, dead or alive,” then a woman carrying a dead fetus, or one not expected to survive, should have to carry it to term.

The bill as first proposed outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks under all circumstances. After negotiations with the Senate, the House passed a revised HB 954 that makes an exemption for “medically futile” pregnancies or those in which the woman’s life or health is threatened.
If this makes its seem like Rep. England and the rest of the representatives looked beyond their cows and pigs and recognized women as capable, full-thinking human beings, think again: HB 954 excludes a woman’s “emotional or mental condition,” which means women suffering from mental illness would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. It also ignores pregnant women who are suicidal and driven to inflict harm on themselves because of their unwanted pregnancy.

In order for a pregnancy to be considered “medically futile,” the fetus must be diagnosed with an irreversible chromosomal or congenital anomaly that is “incompatible with sustaining life after birth.” The Georgia “fetal pain” bill also stipulates that the abortion must be performed in such a way that the fetus emerges alive. If doctors perform the abortion differently, they face felony charges and up to 10 years in prison. Given all this, the so-called compromise suddenly does not look like much of a bargain.

For anti-choice lawmakers, it is an item of faith that fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks. But scientists disagree. Reviews of all existing medical evidence have found that fetuses have not developed the neurological structures to feel pain until at least 25 weeks, and likely not until 28 weeks, in the third trimester.

Although Roe v. Wade set the precedent for abortion to be legal up to 24 weeks, state legislatures continue to ram through restrictive anti-choice laws. Georgia will join six other states with fetal pain restrictions—Nebraska, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma and Alabama. North Carolina prohibits abortion after 20 weeks.

Arizona is now poised to join the roster, as the Senate passed a 20-week abortion restriction Tuesday. The bill, which awaits final approval from the House, also requires women seeking abortions to look at a state-run website littered with anti-choice propaganda.

And in the Northeast, arguably the country’s most pro-choice region, the New Hampshire House voted Thursday to ban abortion after 20 weeks. The bill now moves to the Senate to join four other anti-abortion bills passed by the House this month.

Although GOP’s war on women continues to deal blow after blow, this week held two small victories: The Oklahoma Supreme Court struck down mandated ultrasounds while the Idaho House dropped the ultrasound bill all together.

these people are basically medieval and totally beyond redemption

meanwhile, my friends decided that at six months of age, their baby is finally smarter than their cats, although much less agile

sounds like a fair fight

Why Planned Parenthood won't take $500K

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanholiday/2012/04/03/why-wont-planned-parenthood-take-500000/

The author and Tucker Max can both go jump off of a cliff.

PP wouldn't even accept an anonymous donation from him.

Out of "principle" I guess.

P: “I guess it’s the way you write about women.”

Tucker “What do you mean? I’m not negative towards women in my writing. Women love my writing; more than half my fans are female.”

PP: “Well…there are certain jokes you make we feel can be perceived in a certain negative manner.”

Tucker: “So because I made a fat girl joke you won’t accept a $500,000 donation?”

PP: “I wouldn’t characterize it that way.”

Tucker: “How would you then? I’m listening and I want your best quote.”

PP: “We don’t feel it would be appropriate, given Planned Parenthood’s mission and your body of work, to accept your donation.”

Tucker: “What? I thought Planned Parenthood’s mission was about helping women, not passing judgment on humor.”

planned parenthood otm

don where are you going with this?

surely an 'anonymous' donation in this particulars would not have been so, rendering the gesture moot

http://feministing.com/files/2012/04/tuckermaxtweet.jpg

yeah i wonder why this didn't work out, what a bunch of self righteous bitches

http://jezebel.com/5898721/tucker-maxs-bizarre-campaign-to-use-planned-parenthood-for-publicity

The author and Tucker Max can both go jump off of a cliff.

This, a million times

plus the author spelled judgment wrong in the UPDATE

"humor"

maybe if we were in a pre-james-o'keefe age PP might have bitten, but big name liberal orgs are hypersensitive to trolling.

he could always give it to komen for the cure

you can spell judgment w/ the e or without

I have no idea how the anonymous donation works with PP.

It's an interesting discussion why people would reject (allegedly) anonymous money or if PP would return it if they found out later it was from someone like Tucker Max.

Then again, most abortion discussions always end with some form of absolutism.

(xp)

Also, I call bullshit on Tucker Max having $500k to donate

yeah I mean his movie made "$1.4 million at the box office on a $7 million budget"

Tucker thought about it for a few days and called me back, “They really did help me and my girlfriend when I was poor, I really do believe in their mission, and if this money doesn’t go to them it goes to the government anyway. Let’s do it.”

I am sure this is an exact transcript.

well basic logic would indicate that an anonymous donation from tucker max is not actually an anonymous donation

my hatred for Tucker Max needed no further justification but RAGH WHAT A DOUCHECANOE

god I hate that fucking guy

your lines of "absolutism" don't have to be drawn all that tightly that so that tucker max is outside them, come off it

Never said it was, didn't imply it either. Just saying that with abortion, it usually comes down to one way or another with no space in between.

Are there some charitable orgs that don't accept anonymous donations?

well, if you mean the two sides are "no abortions, ever" and "abortions can happen" then yeah it's pretty black and white, but that kind of ignores the fact that there are a lot of opinions in that range

that guy holiday is a straight-up liar, wouldnt trust anything he says/his version of events

no one has talked about tucker max in like 4 years and now all of a sudden hes on the front page of jezebel and salon and stuff

well dandy don straw men aren't much noted for intellectual depth

if tucker max gives you $500k the world is going to know

you can spell judgment w/ the e or without

― iatee, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:08 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not if u are a real american

jez hed should read tucker max's successful campaign to use planned parenthood for publicity

well, if you mean the two sides are "no abortions, ever" and "abortions can happen" then yeah it's pretty black and white, but that kind of ignores the fact that there are a lot of opinions in that range

So PP advocates any opinions any opinions that restrict abortion on demand? Honestly, I don't know the answer to that.

haha this sentence from his publicist's roman is great:

As long as I’ve known Tucker—a card-carrying member of the University of Chicago School of Economics who also has a law degree from Duke—he has been pro-choice.

chicago econ AND duke law? there's no way he's an asshole!