is iatee vegetarian y/n?
I try to eat less meat tho I was vegetarian in hs and my hair started falling out. in any case I don't think individual decisions are gonna save the world which is why 'tax red meat and use the money to offset emissions' is a better idea than 'trying to guilt everyone into being vegetarian'
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Can't wait for the new paradise in which ppl once again are born, live and die within 5 miles of one spot. "You want to see the Parthenon? You should've got yourself born in Greece, my friend."
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
I question whether iatee really speaks about anything he "knows and loves" or if it's kind of a theoretical persona stance. The whole thing kind of reads not far off from his "I am a lawyer who owns a beemer" persona he was pulling when that one rube dropped by ilx.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
I''m not sure, but I think I live in George.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
whoa whoa whoa mock iatee all you want but I won't have you sullying the good name of Jay Batman.
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
refusing basic healthcare to anyone over the age of 65 would save a lot of resourcesdenying heating fuel to people who live in cold climates, also a good idea (sorry NYC!)obese Americans starved until their BMIs drop below 20
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
People unable to find work within walking distance of their residence can be sent to a labor prison
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I was going to say that this conversation belongs on the fascist thread, but it made me want to move to the country and buy a pickup with a gun rack and burn my trash so I'm conflicted
― Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
idg how my opinions on good public policy are 'a persona'. they might be absurdist in the context of modern american politics but remember I'm the dude who defends obama in the politics thread, so I'm p aware of their context within the spectrum of american politics. that doesn't, incidentally, mean they there's something wrong with pricing greenhouse emissions and encouraging environmentally efficient lifestyles.
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
summary execution of all pets
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
Man, people seem to be hearing "gas should cost $23/gal" what's actually being (accurately) said is "gas costs $23/gal (probably much higher), we're just not paying the full bill up front".
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
'people have to pay for the environmental effects of driving' = 'iatee is a fascist'
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
Or pets can only be fed food made from the remains of the elderly who die off
Full-blown libertarianism would eventually result in a world where nothing much lived besides humans, cockroaches, dust mites, algae and bacteria. But they would all reach a certain kind of equalibrium. Voila! Sustainability! (/doomer)
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
Did you know that overall, cooling air is a lot less power-consuming than heating? There's really no reason to have large cities as far north as NYC unless there's a significant stabilizing effect due to ocean/mountain proximity. Which NYC doesn't have.
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
totally agree, which is why we should be building more big cities in california
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's more that you have a lot of interesting ideas that proscribe what large swaths of society at large should be doing, but you seldom address your own stake in this!
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
btw I just completely misused the word proscribe, ignore me
I don't care what society 'should be doing', I care about pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
and cooling is less necessary than heating - no a/c in the south would require reconfiguring houses to old vernacular styles with sleeping porches and shit, but you aren't going to die sleeping outside in a Mississippi summer
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
man ppl get really bent out of shape by this stuff
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
How is "pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind" not a thing that society would do?
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
eugenics program to breed people who can run marathons to deliver news from urban city-state to urban city-state
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
the chances of anything iatee 'wants' happening in america's political context are close to zero, so everybody can take it easy
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
Being libertarian doesn't mean not giving a direction for society! It means that specific direction is limited government, subsidies, and intervention
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
marketing campaign to turn unused NYC subway and sewer tunnels into 21st century artists' loftsart supplies restricted for wastefulness (oops)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
new TV production banned, all citizens have to watch media projected from a central location onto night-time clouds. No clouds, tough shit.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
wow I had no idea raising the gas tax would have so many unforeseen consequences
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
no, this is the libertarian thread, you have to pose it as not subsidizing roads or subsidizing gasoline
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
Just spitballing ways to save the planet.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
makes you think
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
I go to a conference call and this place turns venomous. Waaahhh happen?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
tbh, though, the effects from denying healthcare to the elderly is probably not that far off from designing policies to either uproot people or make living where they do untenable - going to be a lot of holdouts fighting back or dying offand killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment, whereas herding people together generally hasn't been
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
whereas herding people together generally hasn't been
Do you...have anything to support this or are you just mad now?
― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah now that i think about it probably better to just leave things as they are
― max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
milo
you are continuing on this path as if ppl have been arguing against your ideas to kill off (note- think about a better euphemism for this) nearlydeads, when tbf nobody is fighting you on these vital reforms
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
Do I have any evidence that urbanization (partic. rapid urbanization) isn't good for the environment?Sure: the Industrial Revolution. Contemporary China.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not mad, I just think iatee's views - or at least his ways of stating them - are tailor-made for reductio ad absurdum, in that they start off on the absurd continuum.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
'raise taxes on things that cause global warming'?
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously - if iatee were more serious about needing radical ideas to save the world (rather than, as noted, wanting the NYC he loves), he would be encouraging agrarianism and population reduction. Mankind is never quite so sustainable as when it needs the farmland directly beneath its feet to survive.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
why do people think I love nyc so much
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment
Wha? Old people don't reproduce. They have few years left to consume resources. They eat like birds. It's you young 'uns who will be vigorously spawning all those ravenous children, demanding ice cream and Gameboys, and ruining the planet for the next century!
― Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't even own a I <3 ny shirt
― iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
my vision of the future is locking everyone into densely-packed urban gulag camps where only billionaires can afford to do anything more than 20 blocks away from their residence, including work.
― iatee, Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:31 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Do you own a I 8====) NY shirt?
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
well consider the possibility that climate change will make it worse
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
no
― max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
iatee wants to ruin the yokels' lives... to save them!!!!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link