Fringe (new JJ Abrams show) : Mad scientist, flesh eating virus, a cow and talks with the dead

the hivemind kid plot was pretty by the numbers and just there to prop up the story revelations and character development

I can take or leave the sudden convergence of our Olivia with not-Fauxlivia, but I'm talking about the very final scene.

the hivemind kid plot was pretty by the numbers and just there to prop up the story revelations and character development

Yeah, totally. I mean, is that storyline finished or is it getting continued next week? Not that I care either way. I just want to know which Nina that was.

Does Broyles have eyebrows? Cos it'd be an awesome reveal if he turns out to be an undercover Observer.

kind of weird/racist that all the observers are white, especially now that they spoiled their origin

maybe the time machine recreates them atom by atom out of white molecules

Keep forgetting to mention this, but

SHIITAKE
HAPPENS

!!!

lol, yes

OK, I knew this was the reveal we had coming, but I felt like it could have been handled better than it was.

SPOILERS
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"Thanks for turning this beacon on. btw, this is your Olivia, you just deleted yourself from this universe but LOVE blah blah blah"
cut to shot of Peter and Olivia embracing
~fin~

Cue Tesla: "Loooooooove wiiilll fiiiind a wayyyheyyyyyy"

I am not mad, but it's just..ugh. All that time in the amberverse & it's just "love"?

I was kind of annoyed that it was introduced this way, instead of having the characters at least recognize it was possible that this was just a universe where Peter just erased himself.

yeah, it was v. ugly and it didn't need to be. if they'd omitted the line about love, i.e. said 'this is your universe, and you should have been erased from it. but you weren't forgotten' i'm fairly certain that everybody would have gotten that It Was Love w/o out the hamfistedness.

The episode w/Peter Weller handled issues of unrequited love and affection better than about anything else in the series while still being pretty good science fiction. I think it's the one I've rewatched the most. Plus, Peter Weller.

god I loved that episode. Made me cry like a motherfucker.

tbh I'm not completely clear what exactly happened at the end of this ep. So if this universe was his all along, then why isn't everyone waking up to their memories of Peter just like Olivia is and why are Olivia's memories of Nina being "overwritten"?

because LOVE

I am not mad, but it's just..ugh. All that time in the amberverse & it's just "love"?

i have not watched this new one yet but haven't they been setting this up for quite some time? with walter and peter, with olivia and her stepfather, with the 'ghost' couples who couldn't let go acrooooossss the muuuultiverses etc.?

What I don't friggin get is that Peter magics the two universes together and somehow erases himself in the process, but no one remembers what he did so they're no closer to fixing anything. I guess that they don't have the universe-shattering events, maybe? And if Walter & co. are the "first people" then when the fuck do they send the machine back

It was just all..."Wait, so I constructed all of these intricate flow charts of all the Fringeverses and THIS is how you resolve amberverse?"

*tears up flowcharts*

On the other hand... flying porcupine monsters.

four-eyed Lincoln is really adorable. just sayin.

ohhhhh I love him, so cute

Right?! Kinda bums me out a bit that both versions of him harbor unrequited crushes on Olivia.

I think Lost totally killed any enthusiasm I've had for theorising abt TV shows btw. Normally I'd be all abt timelines, and "Peter's important!", and "what about their baby?!" but I'm weirdly not that bothered that it all ended up boiling down to something as corny as LUV. I just want to see more David Robert Jones.

le sigh...

"me and my army of flying porcupine men will RULE THE WORLD" - Pink and the Brain s2e9

Hahah

This seems like a very cheaty way out, that they get to rehash old storylines now because of WUV

But kinda cool in a way. Those creatures were kind of awesome looking.

The first time ilx crushobject Lincoln got attacked by the lolcupine man, I actually screamed out loud. /muy macho

omg me too

We are wusses!

Really funny episode, btw!

Lincoln must be preserved at all costs!!

Walter with "Hump" magazine was funny

So I was thinking that the timelines have become nonsensical as they're being mashed up (the cause-and-effect equivalent of the people with extra limbs or rows of teeth in that one small-town-you-can't-leave ep) - this is why Porcupine No 1 can have the drugs without having made the deal, despite the guy-with-drugs' premature death (they touched on this very briefly and then rushed off). Things can occur, since they occurred in one timeline, but the cause of those events don't have to be present, since they occurred in one timeline or another, not necessarily the one we're in. Does this make sense or am I just high?

I don't think that is what they're doing, but I get where you are coming from. I think that the source was different this time.

Cool thanks - I was hoping the island was done with me

Remain pretty impressed by how differently torv manages to play the two olivias.

I know right? They really feel like 2 different people.

I liked this episode. But will the shapeshifter be the Cousin Oliver of the Fringe team?

I dug this episode too. After the 'WUV' reveal I'm kinda glad they're just getting on with the story instead of spending a bunch of episodes as Peter and Olivia moon over each other.

Tyrone. :(

Remain pretty impressed by how differently torv manages to play the two olivias.

what makes it even more impressive isn't just the contrast between Olivia and Fauxlivia, it's also the even subtler difference between Old-Olivia and New-Olivia. She plays them all slightly differently, but it's just enough to show that they're -essentially the same person- as well.

I was thinking a similar thing last night -- I really miss old-Livia.

Fauxlivia isn't totally punchable anymore either!

During the episode, I was thinking LL's fanclub would be swooning over this episode, until, you know, one of them bites it.

Btw: Eugene's hat!!!!

I don't think enough people here are fully appreciating the cow's hat.

It's grazing day

Not bad at playing drunk Olivia

Fauxlivia in dress uniform and hair up is AGL.

i know that double astrid farnsworths is not real, but this show makes me believe

cute opening sequence.

although why the observers apparently like to pave things over so they can all walk back and forth holding suitcases is somewhat beyond me.

also, the ending -- they didn't have a stick or something??

dude Desmond has to be noble and self-sacrificing in every Abrams-related show