I actually find the whole proposal slightly offensive. If you're going to move into any area, you will still be you regardless. You can't control peoples' perceptions of you and your intentions for living in that place. When my wife and I left our Adams Pt apartment to own in North Oakland, a white neighbor came by not long after moving in and in the course of our conversation called us "pioneers". I took offense, thinking that made our neighbors (many of whom have roots in this neighborhood going back at least a couple of generations) something else. Saying you don't want to gentrify a place just by you being there seems like the same type of thinking, coming from the opposite side. Live where you want to live, live where you can afford to live, live where you feel safe living, but accept your own presence in your community.
Sorry if this isn't clear, and if I've got the whole notion wrong, maybe we can hash that out too.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 February 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, when i said that i really just meant that i don't wanna move to a neighborhood that is clearly in the middle of it. i'm still just going to take what i can get.
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
def look at the crimespotting map, and the map on akm's link. Fruitvale by and large will be fine, even much of west oakland will probably suit your needs. The deep east has alot of problems, crimewise, mostly due to gang turf wars.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
Fruitvale by and large will be fine, even much of west oakland will probably suit your needs.
Probably transportation (what form you will have and what form you will need) should be a major factor in deciding where to live. Also, having your bike stolen or car stolen/broken into is a rite of passage as far as Oakland residency goes.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago) link
true
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 05:58 (twelve years ago) link
i'm planning on busing there and then buying cheap bikes as often as i need to
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
zachlyon, i don't know where you're coming from... but if you can afford anything up to $600/month, you'll be fine. i've never paid more than 430$ in oakland. i currently pay $330, i'm very close to BART, and my neighborhood is safe enough. (i also most work odd-jobs and shit, haven't had a 'real' job in more than a year, partly by choice and partly because the economy blows).
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 05:29 (twelve years ago) link
$330 sounds great. i'm paying $467 right now and would probably require something lower. what kind of living situation is it (house, apartment, etc)?
― if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Thursday, 23 February 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
no offense, T, but didn't some dude get gunned down right around the corner from your place, like, a couple months ago? And the little kid that got shot in the parking lot, that was right by where you live too, right?
― sarahell, Thursday, 23 February 2012 07:33 (twelve years ago) link
he did say safe enough.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 23 February 2012 07:41 (twelve years ago) link
safe enough if you don't mind seeing dead bodies around the corner from your home!
― sarahell, Thursday, 23 February 2012 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, but in his defense (or in oakland's defense?) most people would consider where i used to live (around the corner from the parkway) "safe enough," and a dude got gunned down in the grocery store parking lot a block or so away, police once cordoned off an entire street because a gunman had taken hostages in a nearby apartment building, my apartment got broken into and robbed, and the video store on the corner got held up multiple times.
― how did we get here how? (ytth), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
have paid in the $550 - $1000/mo. range for any number of neighborhoods ranging from 'desirable' to 'risky' and have seen/heard people shot and killed in all of them, on the street, on the doorstep, next door, around the corner, etc. so I don't really know how this is measured?South Berkeley/Oakland border was the only one where this didn't happen actually.
― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 23 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
a dude got gunned down in south berkeley in broad daylight like a month ago!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 23 February 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
If you have an appreciation for spectacle as entertainment, and an iron butt, you should go to this exclusive event, damn you ppl:
http://sfsilentfilmfestival.blogspot.com/2012/02/napoleon-faq.html
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 March 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
what up Oakland
https://p.twimg.com/AvWllypCEAAUeBK.jpg
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
What up is that I may be stuck in the East Bay
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 June 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
Take the ferry!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 14 June 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
what is that
i'm moving to oakland in august, what up oakland
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
West Oakland BART station on fire
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
in other Oakland news today - FBI violent crime stats indicate Oakland is the 4th most dangerous city in America and the most dangerous city in California.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Move to North Oakland, "the hottest zip code in the country" (94608)
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
i am flying into oakland tonight
― yorba linda carlisle (donna rouge), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
94608 is also the zip code for Emeryville - possibly the most square footage of big box chain retail per capita.
Awesome = ilx Oakland visitors/new people!
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Emeryville is so weird
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
a "city" where nobody lives, but everybody shops!
Yeah alot of my mail is addressed to E'ville. (xp)
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
took me two hours to get from my place near the lake to downtown sf this morning. thanks bart fire.
― wmlynch, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
fate was kind and my weekly SF work night was yesterday and not today.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
FBI violent crime stats indicate Oakland is the 4th most dangerous city in America and the most dangerous city in California.
since when is this news?!?
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
Emeryville is like the Delaware of the Bay area.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
oakland's not quite EPA but the one time i visited someone at the acorn projects i heard gunshots three times in two hours
emeryville is the most depressing place in east bay imo
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
At least Cafe Biere is there. Try spending a day in Rodeo.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
xp - we were at 6th most dangerous for several years. we're moving on up!
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
ok, good point. for some reason in my mind the east bay is bounded by richmond and hayward on the N/S and the hayward fault / berkeley hills / contra costa range on the east
rodeo and all those random places like dublin and pleasanton and antioch fall into the same category in my mind as tracy and gilroy
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
antioch and gilroy are very similar. n.b. gilroy is where i spent the first 17 years of my life.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
That must have been...something. (Folks are in Carmel, know San Juan Bautista well enough.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
home of garlic ice cream
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
xp - my parents are from Monterey; most of the extended family live there. My dad's dad, stepmom, and half-brother lived in Carmel when I was growing up. Carmel seemed really really boring.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
Fwiw, good dining here: Plum
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
Carmel is indeed very somnolent. But as I have always had that somnolent side, no worries. Dad grew up there, he and mom moved there in 1994 so it's become home by default.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
It took Ytth about 2 hours total to get to SoMa this morning (including walking to bart and then walking home again).
― just1n3, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
Plum used to be a decent cheap chinese place. R.I.P.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
xp Ned: so I don't need to ask if you went to Carmel High w/my dad's half-bro
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
Hahah not I -- Dad was Navy, I mostly grew up in San Diego. My dad himself went to Carmel High, though, class of '58. His goal was to teach there but another position opened up elsewhere and he did his years of teaching work with them instead.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
ned i thought you mostly grew up in coronado, NOT san diego
i could probably deal w/ gilroy, you're real close to santa cruz and san jose
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
coronado aka NOT SAN DIEGO
My grandfather taught at the Navy School.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Us versus the barbarian hinterlands of Not Coronado.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Keep in mind that when I think of San Diego County these days I just think of Escondido fundamentalist racists.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 June 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link