Both "Mars" and "Attacked" are better names than "John Carter."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
The Civil War (on Mars) (But At The Same Time, Pretty Much)
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
they really should have gotten Noah Wylie to star in this
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
you say that about every movie!!
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
yes, but they could have started another "Predator ship"-style fanboy debate with this between "A Princess of Mars" and "ER"
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
"John Carter, MD, of Mars."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
John Carter the Unstoppable Mars Machine.
― ledge, Friday, 17 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
How the fuck do you rename something "John Carter" that has the already-awesome name "Princess of Mars".
― getting good with gulags (beachville), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
apparently the reasoning was that boys dont like princesses, so they made it john carter of mars. and girls dont like planets, so they made it just john carter
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 17 February 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
they wanted to avoid the taint of mars
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
Martian taint is true. The New Yorker article said it was because that Mars Needs Moms movie was such a bomb.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago) link
I saw the trailer yesterday and among all the problems I have the aliums all look like Phantom Menace/Jar-Jar animation and it's really, really skeeving me out.
Tim Riggins of Mars! Is what the movie should be called.
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
The title of the movie is terrible, but most titles that are just a person's name are terrible.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is otm, why did they take out the MARS part?? what are they thinking??
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
see the Mars Needs Moms tidbit.
― Simon H., Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
Mars Needs Moms was shit because it was a piece of overmade garbage that took a perfectly good Berkeley Breathed story and made it into something stupid. The involvement of mars was the least of it's problems!! God studio execs are such MORONS (#955,000)
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
its
didn't realize people had such strong feelings about mars needs moms.
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
people = me
I just really liked that Berkeley Breathed book. :(
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
Mars Needs Vegemite
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
I should just stay on the IA thread...
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
( <3 Ned )
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:16 (1 hour ago) Permalink
that's nuts. people really think an unrelated kid movie's flopping would affect this one?
― Cruller, Cobbler, Poffert, Pie (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
I only know the books tangentially (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) but this looks GREAT.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:27 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm genuinely looking forward to this and thoroughly expect to enjoy it. I re-read Princess Of Mars the other day to prepare and damn, it's great.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Saturday, 18 February 2012 10:00 (twelve years ago) link
Other than the alien animation, the rest of it does look pretty fantastic.
― getting good with gulags (beachville), Saturday, 18 February 2012 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
all i ever notice of the commercials for this are a sandy vista and a scruffy warrior guy, which makes me go "is this prince of persia? didn't that already come out?"
― ban opinions (reddening), Saturday, 18 February 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
this should have been called JOHN CARTER PRINCESS OF MARS imho
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link
JOHN CARTER OF MARS: A PRINCESS OF MARS: THE LEGEND OF JOHN CARTER (OF MARS)
― ban opinions (reddening), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
PRINCESS JOHN CARTER OF MARS
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
JOHN CARTER: TURN OFF THE MARS
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Y'ALL READY FOR MARS?
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
A MARS A DAY HELPS YOU WORK, REST AND SLAY
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
ahaha
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
ha
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/16650/ghosts-featured1__span.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
buzzkill
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
And the knives really start coming out:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/21/john-carter-disney-s-quarter-billion-dollar-movie-fiasco.html
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
3 pages of industry insider gossip about kerfuffle among the money men? Will hold out for the reviews. Still, $400 million is a heckuvalot.
― watercooler challenge (ledge), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Martian taint is true.
one for the out of context thread
― (thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hey, they said "Titanic" would flop! They said "Avatar" would flop! Don't ever count out Cameron!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Oh, wait, this isn't Cameron?!
In that case, consider it a tax write-off, Disney.
since it's an old book they should cut it into four parts and run it on masterpiece theater
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
HE DIDNT GET OUT OF THE COCKADOODIE CAR
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
finally watched the trailer for this:-disney seems to only have one look for their heroes-Carter looks just like Prince of Persia-looks like it'll be a whole movie of that gladiator arena scene from Attack of the clones.-doesn't look fun
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
mars needs momus
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
also how come the sky isn't all red and martiany looking
where are the communiony-looking aliens
i mean
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, at least it's rated properly
I see all these R-rated movies like immortals and the conan reboot and wonder how much money is left on the table, they would be catnip for 12/13 yo boys
if the clash of the titans reboot did good money, can't see why this wouldn't, unless it's absolutely interminable, trailer looks cool
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
plus my 10 yo is raring to see it so
It was based on a beloved and highly influential property
lol....beloved and influential to who exactly?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 March 2022 02:40 (two years ago) link
people who read & enjoyed it?
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 March 2022 02:44 (two years ago) link
i'm questioning the characterization of the property as some kind of sure thing to bank a movie on. i had literally never heard of it until this came out despite existing in plenty of circles where sci-fi and fantasy fiction were regularly discussed for all of my teens and 20s.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 March 2022 02:48 (two years ago) link
i don't know how wide an audience they have in 2022 but burroughs's mars books are some of the most influential in SF, even if the influence tended to trickle down through other stuff -- bradbury, heinlein, flash gordon, star wars.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:18 (two years ago) link
Cameron cited it as an inspiration for Avatar, and I don't doubt it inspired others. But yeah, it was certainly no bankable property ten years ago or now - too old, largely forgotten
― Vinnie, Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:23 (two years ago) link
yeah "this thing inspired this other thing that you like" is not really how IP attracts audiences
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 March 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link
The Del Rey paperbacks were how I first heard about them, and they came out...late 70s I think?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 March 2022 04:44 (two years ago) link
i feel like princess of mars is sort of out of fashion, partially because Edgar Rice Burroughs is also out of fashion right now (lotta racist shit in the original Tarzan), but both properties were hugely popular in their time. I remember being kinda surprised when the movie came out, though, even having been aware of the books and having read a couple a long time ago. they were in print for a long time. probably still are.
― ian, Thursday, 10 March 2022 04:46 (two years ago) link
in terms of influence... they are not the very first examples of what is now called "portal fantasy", but they are early, predating the chronicles of Narnia by decades. there's definitely plenty of writing in this genre, and the idea has been used over and over again from alice in wonderland (pre-princess of mars) to stargate: atlantis to whatever.
― ian, Thursday, 10 March 2022 05:04 (two years ago) link
my reaction to this coming out was kind of like... this is a movie for old men who listen to old time radio dramas and collect Amazing Stories and Weird Tales from before the 2nd world war.
still never seen it.
― ian, Thursday, 10 March 2022 05:06 (two years ago) link
i still think it was a much better movie than conventional wisdom acts like it was
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 March 2022 05:20 (two years ago) link
I'd agree, pretty much stand by everything upthread. It ain't perfect but it's often really entertaining.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 March 2022 05:22 (two years ago) link
Reread the first three Mars books after seeing the movie (great in IMAX), and thought the movie did a great job of capturing the spirit while tightening the plot. Besides the Star Wars prequels, was the first movie I've seen people actively dogpile on to hate, without having seen it. At least, it was the first movie I was invested in seeing, so disheartening watching it shredded. Would have appreciated a second movie.
As a kid, also loved the Green Star books by Lin Carter, which is a straight rip of the concept.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 10 March 2022 14:09 (two years ago) link
(lotta racist shit in the original Tarzan),
― ian, Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:46 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Surely the whole concept of the white aristocratic lord of the jungle is inherently racist from the get-go. Quite apart from the depiction of the natives outside of that.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 10 March 2022 14:53 (two years ago) link