UK Watercooler 32: Fall Into The Meaning Gap

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That would be an overreaction. I tried unfriending this person on MySpace, and they freaked out and sent me this message going all "why did you unfriend me?" and another friend request, and I felt guilty and accepted it. But then felt blackmailed into doing it. And then felt bad about feeling blackmailed.

I'm a bad person because I can't do groups. :-(

I don't know what it is that I'm worried about. What the other people in the larger group think? Why they respond to this person in a way that they have never responded to me? Because this person makes all the right noises and goes through the motions about being a good and friendly group member? Clearly there is something wrong with me, that I am having a problem when no one else is.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link

And now I have accomplished my difficult thing that I set myself to do today, and have nothing to do for the rest of the day.

And no boss to talk to about what needs to be done next.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, none of this is 'bad person' stuff, just because you are finding this rather tricky situation difficult to handle. It sounds like you have to decide whether you want to reestablish yourself in the larger group enough to want to confront this person about the situation - which I think you'll have to do, as it sounds like ignoring/tolerating wouldn't work. It depends what they want from you, and they clearly want something - hence trying to engage with you repeatedly.

Alternatively - is there someone in the larger group that you can confide in?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Ooh, apparently our MD is going to make An Announcement About Something later today...

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:47 (sixteen years ago) link

(we all know the gist of what he's going to say, but we don't really know what the implications are going to be)

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't actually even know if I want to continue in the larger group. But there is really no way to tell, because the friction is making it difficult.

The person in the larger group, who *was* my confidant... well, that's a difficult situation, as well. We were friends, now I'm not so sure. Again, actions speak louder than words - confidant was all "oh, we're still friends" but never manages to return my emails, either due to busy-ness or their own personal life or (paranoia) they are no longer as close to me as they once were. And there is past personal friction between former confidant and the person with whom I am having the problems - but my former confidant's tack was to go out of their way to be overly nice to the person they were having the problems with. Which only makes me feel more slighted and jealous/envious.

I can't even talk about this on my blog - this person reads it, and emails to complain.

I don't know what they want. They claim to want to be my friend, but doesn't behave in ways that I consider friendlike.

It's just awful, and the way of things is that I am going to end up losing the whole group. Which is a shame, but I don't really see another way to deal with this. I can only hope that it will all blow over.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh god, Tzr want me to do another review - Diamanda Galas. Yes, I would love to go to that show, but I don't want to do any more music criticism!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, it's not going to be an indie dive, right?

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Indeed. The Southbank Centre - I would get to sit down and be civilised.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm never very sure how I feel about sit-down gigs - they remind me too much of classical concerts, which jars slightly.

The only gig we've got planned coming up is Low, at the Sage in Gateshead, and I suspect it may well be a sit-down gig too.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Diamanda Galas is practically classical music, albeit, well, modern composition.

I like sit-down gigs, but this is because I'm old and my back and knees give out if I have to stand up for too long.

Has that announcement been made yet, or will that be after lunch?

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:22 (sixteen years ago) link

One of these days we'll get to the Sage for an actual concert. (do they do gigs? Prob not)

The Baltic, sage, sunday market, etc is one of my favourite places to be. Might well get there this weekend.

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:23 (sixteen years ago) link

The announcement is still unmade and hanging...

I'm getting old enough to want to avoid tightly-packed standing crowds, myself. The last gig we went to, we lurked right at the back.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:27 (sixteen years ago) link

hey do you guys have a bank holiday weekend fr/mon? is it easter there already?

mitya, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes times two...

suzy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes mitya, both days.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw van der graaf generator at the sage, it was very good, the acoustics in the small hall are excellent.

I'd probably have seen other bands, but promoting their gigs has never been one of the sage's strong points - the VdGG gig was 1/2 empty, all the other tour dates were sellouts, I only found out it was on about 2 days before. Hopeless!

Pashmina, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Ooh good, Low are in the small hall.

We went along to buy our tickets directly, last month. We got to the front of the queue and asked about the Low gig, and the chap behind the counter said: "I thought you looked like you'd be wanting tickets to Low - I'm going to it myself!"

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:37 (sixteen years ago) link

...typical. I said I'd do it, and now I don't hear back from him.

Ah, I've got an hour to start thinking about what I want to have for lunch. Sag paneer again, no doubt.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Hello, all, busy morning. I am growing slightly disgruntled with the job here, it is feeling like the old place a couple of years ago. The software I have to support is a dog's breakfast with 4 main code trunks, a number of actual products and a layer of branding over the top with is, to say the least, confused.

Recruiter who got me this job called me this morning, I asked him to call back later, I hope he is calling to see if I am settled and not to put evil thoughts in my head.

Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Do you think that other places in the same line of work would be the same - that it is a problem of the nature of the business? Or are these places both just badly run?

i.e. is it something that you could change - either through working things out at this job (learning from the past mistakes of the old one) or at getting another job - or is it just the nature of the beast, and something you'd have to put up with anywhere? (And therefore career change would be more necessary for being re-gruntled?)

I am eating Sag Paneer. Numness.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it is common to places that had a lot of money very quickly and spent it badly, of which there are many in my industry. Not sure if it is something I could change but I can try and influence

I am a little worried that, working in any VC backed company, the VCs may lose interest if returns aren't forthcoming. In addition I don't think that the CEO they parachuted in is doing enough to change entrenched ideas and practices. I worry that in these situations it tends to be last in, first out.

I talked about some of these issues at length with all three people who interviewed me, but they put a very good gloss on it.

Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Things are very serious today, let's have a picture of a mean looking cat:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/2345477432_b8ca7c8eea.jpg?v=0

Ed, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link

I am happy, because I have accidentally discovered the best site on the interweb:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/

I was actually googling for "the nature of consciousness"* (because I was discussing it with one of the OKC suitors) and it had a link to an article there about neuron firing.

*He says on his page that he is interested in this. I certainly hope that he means in the scientific sense, because googling also lead to some um, rather philosophically unsound looking cultish sites, and articles about philosophy. I suppose this is a problem one can come at from many different angles. Scientific, religious, philosophical, sitting around really stoned going "wow, duuuuuude."

Oh dear.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link

That cat is saying "I wuz promised FLAT PANEL dude"

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Cats don't like flat panels because they are not as warm and impossible to sleep on. My bandmates' cat is very fond of sleeping on top of their old iMac because the monitor fan makes it so warm and cosy.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

My cat was very fond of sleeping on top of my old CRT monitor, too - until the day he apparently knocked it on the floor while I was out.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:10 (sixteen years ago) link

My cats sometimes lie on our laptop, which isn't very good as it's a piece of shit Dell that's prone to overheating at least 5 times a week.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry, I'm lost in reading about DARK MATTERS and GIANT COSMIC VOIDS!!!

A giant gaping hole in the universe, how great is that?

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070823164846.htm

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Are cats just better/more popular than science?

:-(

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Harmonia are playing Glasgow in July. and supposedly Cluster will be playing later in the year too.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link

It'll be Kluster next

Tom D., Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Then Lilienthal

Tom D., Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you coming up for it?

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link

They're playing here first, of course, these provincials *sigh*

Tom D., Wednesday, 19 March 2008 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Your ma might wanna go

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Well they did that big announcement - but the details are still cloudy. The biggest division of our company is being sold off - but for the immediate future, the new owners have signed a services contract with the rest of the company. So, my job carries on as before, except that I might be called upon to be exceptionally anal about which office I am doing jobs for at any particular moment. For now, at any rate.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link

So no change then?

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, at least your position is safe.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

That's the main thing. Were you worried FP?

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I was a bit worried - we knew a sale was ongoing, but not the details. This does mean that if there's a risk of me losing my job, I should get at least 3 months notice of it.

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

And a whopping great redundancy payment?

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Get that in writing!

Sigh. Turns out my boss is actually in today, but shows no sign that he is ever going to meet with me. What should I do? remind him? Or would that be hassling him?

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link

If it's been all day and you've not spoken to him, remind him!

Forest Pines Mk2, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I have only got 45 minutes left in this dump. I'm not going to risk it.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

He has gone now. Tomorrow, I will remind him. I am seriously counting down the days until this assignment ends.

Come on, mood, shift shift back to good again.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

This strange gig I'm playing on Monday gets less and less organised and more and more strange. I wonder, at this point, if it will actually happen at all.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

When is the Diamanda Galas gig? I wonder if I would like her.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm supposed to go tonight. I have no idea, I can't tell what you'd like at all.

Today looks to be even more shit than the rest of the week - forgot to buy a travelcard this morning. I'd been intending to get a daily one for today and not buy another one until next Tuesday, to save money - but then got stung at St. Pancras and if you don't just renew the weekly one, they whack a fine on you which works out to more than a weekly travelcard would cost. :-(

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 20 March 2008 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link


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