Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

Dalglish has come out of this the worst. By far

if there was no evidence whatsoever then, just to be clear, do you think this is a conspiracy? and if so, who is responsible?

Chris, you can believe your player is innocent - i'm pretty sure he admitted saying what he said, but never mind - and you can protest that innocence long after your protest is going to change anything, if you want to. you could still do those things whilst at the same time continually pointing out that racial abuse, witting or not, is utterly unacceptable. Dalglish and the Liverpool ownership could do do those things. they aren't, tho.

i wish i had your ennui about this sort of thing ronan

still waiting for confirmation that anyone of you have read all 115 pages of that report btw.

i have

xp I agree re: Dalglish. to my mind there's no way this would have gone this far without LFC & Dalglish's attitude.

yes, i read it

writing this whole thing off as "everybody loves to get at Liverpool FC, tsk banter eh?" is pretty undermining of the seriousness of the alleged offence

xposts. dalglish has said that racial abuse is unacceptable, the club have said so in their statements, there was outrage and condemnation from the fans wrt the alleged Adeyemi incident.

xp I agree re: Dalglish. to my mind there's no way this would have gone this far without LFC & Dalglish's attitude.

and without a weird trial process that took an eternity to begin.

xpost who's writing it off as that? i'm solely discussing the handshake snub.

i have not, because i dont really care. cunts are cunts and sometimes they may also be racist cunts.

dalglish used "banter" in post match interviews after both games, which seemed kind of flippant.

conspiracy? no, not really. the committee believed evra over suarez (although they did let him watch the footage whilst he made his statement iirc). They decided some of Suarez evidence wasn't credible. Doesn't mean they were right, or wrong.

xxp

people seem outraged/concerned over the handshake, i wouldn't expect them to shake hands

I honestly think Kenny is a man out of time

eh are you saying that dalglish said racial abuse was 'banter'? p.sure he didn't

the laws surrounding banter really need tightening up

xpost pandemic otm. credit to evra for offering, and suarez more of a villain for snubbing, but not a big deal either way. it's just "not very nice".

dalglish used "banter" in post match interviews after both games, which seemed kind of flippant.

yeah wrt the fans. thought we'd been over that nonsense. fucking hell.

or unsporting

if i'd been accused of racially abusing a co-worker, and i hadn't done it, i wd probably be pretty aggrieved if a tribunal decided that i had. however aggrieved i was i think i'd probably go out of my way to convince my co-worker i hadn't done it. maybe shake their hand if it was offered to me, that kind of thing.

presenter on my (spanish?) stream is hooo boy a+ ws even if i couldnt get a decent printscreen

http://i43.tinypic.com/2yoemhv.jpg

they're not co-workers though tbf. They're at "rival firms"

nah, different divisions of the corporation that is the EPL, innit?

except in suarez's opinion the co-worker knows that's not what happened.
xxp

i just think if i wasn't racist i'd try really hard to create a public perception that i cared about not being thought of as a racist

"I never knew Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand. I wasn't there, I never saw it. It's contrary to what I've been told

does nobody find this a little odd? what, and who, has told him otherwise?

the voices in his head

maybe he wants the public opinion to be 'blimey he seems really really fucking aggrieved'
xxp

which i don't think it will be

but if you felt your name had been dragged through the mud then fuck it, why should he shake someone's hand to make us all feel good about ourselves because we're tough on racism and we've moved on. if people can't entertain the idea that suarez may be innocent then bollocks to them.

xposts to NV.

x-post to nv, perhaps... but that's so far from the WHAT A FUCKING CUNT madness upthread, for not partaking in the sky sports anointed pre-match handshake.

(there's a newer ferguson interview where he says suarez is a disgrace and should be sold, cos he is clearly such a bastion of liberal views himself)

Suarez's general character counts against him

i like how the benefit if any doubt being extended to suarez somehow = 'evra is definitely a liar'

You realise this is what you're doing, lads, right?

How'd you expect ppl to respond to that?

going to read the lolnultreport and 7m extra time? what happened?

eek. i wasn't saying dalglish said racist abuse is "banter". i know he was talking about the fans.

i'm saying using a word like that to describe the fallout from an allegation of racism in 2012 is really stupid.

"they're all cunts" is obviously mostly factually correct. but some PR gestures, empty or not, make a statement about where yr priorities lie.

er where have i said evra is a liar??

i like how the benefit if any doubt being extended to suarez somehow = 'evra is definitely a liar'

You realise this is what you're doing, lads, right?

How'd you expect ppl to respond to that?

who are you talking to?

exactly nv.

i like how the benefit if any doubt being extended to suarez somehow = 'evra is definitely a liar'

i've not said evra is definitely a liar. i'm saying a process that glosses over one man's inconsistencies and pounces on another's because they feel like making an example of someone is a joke.

It's clear suarez believes he's a liar. I wouldn't presume to know.

When a football match did break out, it was Rooney's contribution that proved decisive and ensured United moved back to the top of the table ahead of Manchester City, who play at Aston Villa on Sunday.

never change nult

ronan, i guess my point is: this (the "suarez affair and its fallout") isn't all sky news-manufactured concern troll outrage

because they feel like making an example of someone

so the FA weren't interested in whether Suarez was guilty and wd have found him guilty unless the evidence was totally conclusively against?

There was 3 minutes injury time a hoy hoy. Dunno what game Nult was watching

'accepting the verdict and moving on' ftw imo

huh it says +7 on the bbc website.

obligatory complaint about how shitty bbc sport pages have become

ronan, i guess my point is: this (the "suarez affair and its fallout") isn't all sky news-manufactured concern troll outrage

i agree, but i really think the handshake is not a major deal and is a typical thing the media seize on.

x-post don't get also why not bothering to shake his hand has to be seen as prolonging it, maybe he was purelry trying to agitate to gain an advantage today.