Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

I've got a lot invested in this tweet

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i think, tbh, that attitude has come about because of what's being served up

I was thinking last night about the travails of watching Scotland. I think most assume it's torture because the SPL is shite and we don't produce any players anymore but the torture started long before that - when we still had some good players! It started with Andy Roxburgh and his slide rule UEFA coaching badge hyper cautious approach which Craig Brown carried on with plenty of cowerin' and timorousness but not enough sleekitness. By the time Brown was finished we didn't have any good players anymore and we were almost as scared of our own shadows as Brown himslef was. Since then a couple of comedy managers in Vogts (who actually got us to a playoff) and Burley and then the grim Siege of Derry tactics of Smith and McLeish. Now Levein, nice guy, intelligent (wears glasses), puts out a team against the Czech Republic with no forwards, we lose + we're fucked once more, plus ca change...

otm

I could recite a similar litany of tragic persecution but we'd be a right clichèd pair of moaning celts then eh?

International football is about more than scorelines, and imo it's about a lot more than qualification. The 45 mins against france where we played football was worth every point or three earned in the two years before or since

I'd settle for being able to moan about what you've got to moan about tbh

^ this

But then I'd moan about that too.

England under Venables was 2 years of friendlies followed by a tournament where England were outstanding in one game, good in one, and decent in one.

matthew stanger piece in f365 today so determined to portray redknapp as an idiot that it's .... idiotic, tbh

Harry Redknapp? The guy who's spent two weeks swearing to his own idiocy under oath?

a big improvement!

I don't think that being unable to read and writes constitutes 'idiocy' but whatever.

http://images.45cat.com/norman-wisdom-dont-laugh-at-me-cause-im-a-fool-hmv.jpg

Unable to read, write, use a computer or use a mobile phone while managing an organisation with a turnover of £120m may not be "idiotic" but the guy was playing on his own ignorance in court, still 'e's got the lads 'avin' a go an' that's all you can ask for innit.

if the article was a snide go at arry's laughable-but-effective court schtick, fine, but it's not.

'e's got the lads 'avin' a go an' that's all you can ask for innit

In the context of the national team, maybe it is. If you can rule out being genuinely good enough to win things, and can take a certain degree of competence as given. England haven't gone out 'aving a go since 98 (2004 maybe, and the recent lols do massively cushion the blow imo); Scotland for much longer than that. They're generally not swashbuckling sides to watch, at least Arry might bring bring a bit of that from Spiders.

Need a manager with *passion*, is what I'm saying.

if the article was a snide go at arry's laughable-but-effective court schtick, fine, but it's not.

ok I'll read the blimmin thing :)

ok if I'm reading the right thing the first three quotes are directly lifted from the court case:

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/7499868/The-Nagging-Logic-Of-Harry-Redknapp

"I write like a two-year-old and I can't spell."

"I couldn't even fill a team sheet in."

"I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world."

yep, he's starting with that as if that was a reasonable assess,ent of arry's intellectual/tactical ability

"I am the most disorganised person, I am ashamed to say, in the world."

That could be a quote from Albert Einstein

Oh yeah he obviously camped all that stuff up in court but even if it's true that doesn't equate to idiocy. I'd agree that he knows how to speak brain-dead-footballer in the way that someone like, say, Villas-Boas might not. I'd say he's pretty astute in terms of giving a player a job to do and making sure they can do it without actually confusing the hell out of them, yer thicker footballers are more likely to take tactics on board if they're not thinking of them as tactics.

He can still make dodgy substitutions and he's never been good at making a squad game work, mind.

Worked for the Sun for 18 months and didn't know he wasn't being paid? There's laying it on thick and then there's actual thick. I'm in some weird other world here were ILF hasn't been ripping the absolute pish out of 'arry's "simplicity" for a decade.

That article credits him with exactly what Matt is saying - he speaks fluent footballer and keeps tactical fuckeraroundery to a minimum to get results.

even Harry might have a job not confusing this guy

'It was the second day, and I made a run inside from my position out wide on the right. Suddenly Mr Capello started screaming at me at the top of his voice. Training stopped and everyone stared at their feet and looked embarrassed.
'"Theo," he was yelling. "I will kill you if you come inside like that again." Despite Mr Capello's outburst, I never quite knew what was required of me. I was confused.

not suggesting that theo hasn't got a football brain surely

Would say 'Arry's 'dodgy geezer' persona has been pish-ripped rather than any simple-mindedness

true

hes neither brilliant nor stupid, tho his affects play up the latter

probably not unlike aragonés, tho more politic

The yokel "simpleton" who outsmarts the supposedly sophisticated townies/princes etc is like fairystory 101: in fact it's probably in Aesop also.

ya but there is the countervailing and more specific archetype of the cockney with the commercial sense and cunning and various other things that seem vaguely like deracinated jewish stereotypes

tony pulis seems the most convincing embodiment of yokel triumph in english fitba today

yes, yokel's a bit of a red herring: just meant that "simpleton not so simple" is like an archetypal folk fable

*attempts "PROPP FORWARD" joke: abandons attempt*

tony pulis seems the most convincing embodiment of yokel triumph in english fitba today

Holloway has the accent but not the triumph

Pulis has never seemed especially simple even in the world of football management.

'Arry more Delboy than plonker... let alone Trigger

pulis seems the kind of decent, competent, 'gets the job done' fella that would balaclava up and hosepipe you to death under cover of darkness over a farm border dispute or something

Andy Roxburgh and his slide rule UEFA coaching badge hyper cautious approach

this reminds me of a question i've had for, um, most of my life - wtf exactly is a slide rule pass?

a very precise one.

along the ground to an angled run imo

see i thought that but then i often hear commentators using it for any pass along the ground, which iirc is better known as a 'pass'. dunno why i gave any credence to commentators.

along the ground to an angled run imo

― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Friday, February 10, 2012 3:35 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these are the ones where the precision of the pass is most evident, imo. plus, if it exclusively describes angles, it should be called a protractor pass.

not if the target is moving imo

It's not about the angles. It just means a really accurate through ball

must also be dead straight obv

why? slide rule /= ruler

it's still straight though

there are circular slide rules

Fair enough. They're not the 'classic' type though

http://redflagflyinghigh.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pls3.jpg

:D

it doesn't actually work tho, i came out as an everton fan first run thru

or maybe it's trying to tell me something?

the man u trail is great tho

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