Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

the dear old queen mam used to cam dahn the ighbury all the time shaking ands and anding out bags of sand to teary-eyed street urchins

it's perhaps unfortunate that the principle could be taken as "i like racism" rather than the "i pick the team" it was probably intended as.

Capello told Italian newspaper La Republica: "In Madrid I breathed a sparkling atmosphere, the air of a country in Europe making the greatest progress. When I returned to Italy it seemed I had taken two steps back.

"Spain in two words? Latin warmth and creativity regulated by a rigorous order. The order which comes from Franco."

When reminded that Franco was a dictator, Capello replied: "But he left a legacy of order. In Spain everything works well, there is education, cleanliness, respect. We should follow their example."

Big fan of Lega Nord as well iirc.

When he scored for Italy at Wembley in 1973, he dedicated it to Italian immigrants he said were treated like "waiters" by the British.

Interesting

Mourinho is a bit of right winger too, yes? (xp)

Mourinho is reportedly very right-wing but he never actually talks about it?

Mourinho's father was a goalkeeper in Portugal's national squad. More significantly, the family's fortunes depended on the stability of the fascist regime. Mourinho's great-uncle owned a factory for canning sardines which, in the days before burgers and pizza, were a patriotic staple of the national diet. After the revolution, the cannery workers expropriated the business; Setubal, the coastal town where Mourinho was born, acquired a communist mayor, and his parents - stigmatised as bourgeois - had to move out of their big house. This sudden, humiliating demotion left Mourinho with unregenerately right-wing views

Sardines? The monster!

(that autocorrected to 'The mister!' for some reason - phone crossing line to sentience imo)

"In Spain everything works well... We should follow their example."

Cap at the vanguard of lazy punditry imo, this was before they even won anything.

Franco was right

He was only trying to help his pet monkey

trainings ran on time

Some lips he had on him too

It's really easy to lose sight of how big communism and fascism still are in Italy especially and Spain. People seem to speak more often in those terms than simple right and left, certainly out in the country anyway, grudges are still borne.

Don't the ultras of Roma & Lazio have communist and fascist sympathies respectively?

i never really thought about how much more capello earned than a midwife until i saw it graphically depicted in piles of cash as a direct comparison on sky news every ten minutes

awesome! is everybody who works for Sky News on a comparable pay scale to a midwife then?

when did midwives become the standard unit of salary btw?

both roma and lazio have predoimantly right-wing ultras i think. most well known italian left-wing ultras are atalanta and livorno though i don't know about communist sympathies.

when did midwives become the standard unit of salary btw?

from birth, one imagines

midwives on 35k not fuckin bad imo

i'd swap

i mean babies been getting born a long time before midwives arrived, and somehow it worked, but england national team have had a manager since day 1 just sayin

england should go with a 'selection committee for the lols like the #1 ranked cricket team. wait, cricket is still done by committee yeah? Or is it a manager now?

iirc historically the england national team didn't have a manager originally. think Winterbottom was the first, mid 50s? selected by committee of gentlemen before then or sump'n

Although Walter Winterbottom was appointed as England's first ever full time manager in 1946, the team was still picked by a committee until Alf Ramsey took over in 1963.

says Wiki

might as well bite the bullet and do it X-Factor style

suggested that already in the other thread, wd be excellent if arry ad to sing

so

there's an argument that it is a job best done by an english/british manager

right?

i dunno if there's an argument that it's best done by an english.

i think there's an argument that it probably ought to be an english, but that argument might lead to hilarious discussion about what constitutes a "developing football nation"

yeah i kinda assumed that the team has to be of one nationality so the manager does too unless you are a 'developing football country' and need outside expertise.
england going with a foreign coach always seemed to be not quite playing the game, or a comment on our position in world football.

the team has to be of one nationality

It doesn't though

trainings ran on time

lol

xxp

yeah exackly think we might qualify as tactically inept enough to be a developing nation

comment on our position in world football.

Actually...

Or what NV said

half the teams in the world seem to have their own naturalized Brazilian guy nowadays, not that it helps usually

Sardines? The monster!

WRONG! It's canning sardines that's monstrous. Fresh grilled sardines are exquisite.

i meant rather that the english media are pervasive/xenophobic enough and the english players are powerful enough that the introduction of any extra complicating factors would be disproportionately problematic

multixps - Roma's traditionally a leftist club, no? Insofar as that's a useful description of football fans. Also aiui the traditional choice of Rome's Jewish population, which wouldn't sit particularly easy with right wing ultraism (though yes, things are different in Italy)

i meant rather that the english media are pervasive/xenophobic enough and the english players are powerful enough that the introduction of any extra complicating factors would be disproportionately problematic

this is a decent argument. remember when capello took the job and we thought he'd put those surly prima donnas in their place? that went well.

redknapp as boss takes out player power- he's v good with cuntish talent- and media, to a large extent - they're in his pocket- and he's english and he's not moronic tactically/selection-wise and he's experienced. he'll keep it simple and positive and that'll keep the fans happy- even when results go against you it'll be swashbuckling ave-a-go stuff.

tell me what other boxes need ticking, tbh, or who else will tick em

when results go against us it won't be "oh swashbuckling expressionism" it will be "found out at this level to be tactically naive(see keegan)"

don't think i've ever denied that arry could make a good fist of the england job. obviously what won't go away are systemic problems underneath. what happens once arry's finished?

also i wouldn't assume that he won't be indulgent of the usual suspects - remains to be seen imo

he's been indulgent of that type of player in the past, justified by the results for the most part.

capello was indulgent of the usual suspects without ever getting a performance from them imo

such a disspiriting mess, the england team. can't think of the last time they strung 2 or 3 coherent, convincing performances together.

early sven? maybe hoddle actually

i only consistently watch the tournaments so i'll take your word

Actually, come to think of it, Englaland could use a decent captain.