ya, that's the last time i'm going to spend towards star wars again. those are great.
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
RLM?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
rindustrial light and magic
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.freecoloring.info/img/scooby-doo-02.gif
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
These:
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/
They go into what made the prequels fail as movies, versus why the originals worked. I like these a lot b/c they serve both as film class lectures, you could say, and as autopsies. Thanks to these guys, nobody ever needs to think about the prequels ever again. The flicks are dead & buried now.
The vids deconstruct the movies from a character & narrative angle, and in reviewing the 3rd one, spend an extended amount showing exactly how Lucas is a horrible director who just stopped trying decades ago.
A sample taste:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
Well worth your time, as is their weekly "Half in the Bag" review series.
― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
They have been discussed at length in this thread.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
I know. I'm asking again b/c the folks who participate in active convos in here change over time.
― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
oh shit there's an indy 4 one? see you in an hour.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
he also reviews 'cop dog' - wtf that is
― strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
the cop dog review is excellent imo
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
He actually doesn't totally hate Indy 4 iirc
― Number None, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
idg the appeal of those RLM things. can people not work out for themselves why these movies are awful or something
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
seems like they act more as therapy for victims of Lucas' abuse than as anything particularly insightful
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
sigh
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
idg why people read or experience any kind of cultural commentary, ppl cant realize all this shit on their own or something
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
They are plenty insightful. One thing that always stuck with me is when he demonstrates how people in the prequels are always walking everywhere even when shit is going down because they were all filmed in little green boxes and they didn't have the space to actually run around. Like i had always known that the over-reliance on shitty CGI was one of the main reasons the prequels suck but that was as an aspect of it i'd never thought about
― Number None, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't need 10-minutes of pseudo-comical commentary to grasp that the characters in Phantom Menace are non-existent/underdeveloped. sorry. it's the level of insight here that I'm getting at, not the existence of commentary itself.
xp
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
You don't need to apologize for having different needs than we do, it's cool.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
some ppl like to think about things in depth, its just like... a habit i guess
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
Shakey has never listened to a commentary track
― valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ 'level of insight' rhrn
― BJ O (Lamp), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seconded, might have to watch that again sometime
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
the scene where he destroys his tv with jizz whilst watching an olson twin movie is a++++
― strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, it didn't add any insight
― polyphonic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
Cop Dog and Baby's Day Out are two vids they did just to break things up, I think, since they were in the middle of the year when all the prequels were done.
And I never really like calling them "reviews" b/c the things are far more akin to lectures or case studies; they're not just saying "these suck", they get into the minutia of why and how.
A fair amount of people complain about the voice they take("Mr Plinkett") to express their content, but I think it's like Film Crit Hulk, where you have a deliberately affected voice of a dumb person saying smart things.
― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
film crit hulk owns
― RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
What? This is not the Internet our forenerds fought for.
― trishyb, Thursday, 9 February 2012 09:29 (twelve years ago) link
I'm actually thankful for the overbloated 3D movie ticket price because it's going to be SO much easier for me to say "$15 to see Jar Jar Binks, so effing way".
I was talking with a friend last night about these. He said he liked AOTC the best out of the prequels because of the Yoda fight, and I remembered at the time seeing the Yoda fight was the coolest thing ever. I know it "sullies the solemn nature of Yoda" or whatever and is an obvious videogame cash grab, but it was the only genuinely thrilling and surprising moment for me in the whole prequel series.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
The prequels are all terrible but I actually liked a lot of the *imagery* in Attack of the Clones. I thought the stormy water planet with the clone factory looked neat, and I liked the quasi-Harryhausen monster arena toward the end.
― adolf jingle bells (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
And Christopher Lee is just always a badass.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry s1ocki
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed about the imagery. The best format for the prequels would've been a large, wordless coffee table book of full-page photographic illustrations.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
Attack of the Clones is my favorite of the prequels. In particular, I really enjoy the sequence of battle scenes starting with the gladiator scene through to the end of the movie. Each of those sequences has some really nice visual ideas going on.
― Moodles, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060414171016/starwars/images/thumb/9/99/Queenamidalapaperdoll.jpg/250px-Queenamidalapaperdoll.jpg
― ledge, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
xp. I er own that btw. According to the back "Inside this book you'll find a collection of the Queen's most gorgeous gowns, each one more richly detailed than the next".
― ledge, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Did you?
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
They did not get progressively shitter iirc.
― ledge, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the Red Letter stuff is very informative in easy to understand yet cine literate terms whereas most reviews don't bother with a lot of that stuff nor have the space to go at it in such detail. the whole 'walking and talking' comparison with the first 3 movies bit is amazing. i mean sure some folk can work all that out for themselves and shiz but i still appreciated someone else taking the trouble and making it so funny.
― piscesx, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
i actually find the RLM stuff very smart and insightful. i like smart and insightful commentary on film, especially when it deals with the purely cinematic/mise-en-scene elements that RLM stuff really focuses on. the idea that people would just "figure this stuff out themselves" is ridiculous.
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, February 9, 2012 4:59 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seriously. i hope nobody thinks i was trying to defend the prequels. cuz there's a *lot* of hideous, ungainly cinematography and doofy effects in these movies in addition to the scant few things i was singling out for praise.
― adolf jingle bells (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
The waterworld stuff in AOTC I actually liked, because it was Obiwan investigating and learning things, and we were learning along with him.
Yoda fight was dumb, and deliberately went against the character into fanboy wank that never works. Film Crit Hulk wrote something about how if your approach to plotting starts with "Wouldn't it be cool if" you usually have already lost.
Also, there's something about all these guys' critiques that I find educational, making me more aware of shit than my coupla film classes built me up. It's made me more conscious and apprehensive and pretty much just disdainful of geeky friends getting hyped for upcoming geek shit regardless of any possible quality or point.
It's like, news flash, nerds won; genre consumption has gotten predictably monetized so there will always be plenty of geek/nerd shit on sale for you. There will always be plenty of superhero movies, fantasy epics, and sci-fi auctioneers for you to blow dosh on. You just don't need to breathlessly anticipate empty genre crap.
I can't remember if it was either Hammet or Chandler who ripped into how shit genre entertainment could be, and yet still get pushed out into the marketplace. He said in the '30s, about how the average mediocre novel won't necessarily get published, but that the most average mediocre detective story sure as shit will.
This is probly needs a thread all its own, but I find it heavily relevant to everything Lucas has shat out post-Radioland Murders.
― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
u sorta forget he/they also *looked* pretty cool back in the day. you know for film nerd types.
http://www.thisisnotporn.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Kate-Capshaw-Steven-Spielberg-George-Lucas-and-Harrison-Ford-from-Indiana-Jones-and-the-Temple-of-Doom1.jpg
― piscesx, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
Did they?
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
Spielburg's shorts not so much, but the rest totally. But Harrison Ford basically looks good in anything.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
Spielberg and Lucas were NEVER cool
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Putting Indy-era Ford in there is stacking the deck imo
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
Spielberg was the coolest director in Hollywood after Jaws. But, that awesomness capital has obviously been spent.
― Frobisher (Viceroy), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
More red meat for everyone here:
THR: People can get fanatical about the movies — how does that make you feel? The puppet vs. CGI Yoda ruckus, and the who-shot-first, Han Solo or Greedo furor come to mind.Lucas: Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie. The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn’t. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.
Lucas: Well, it’s not a religious event. I hate to tell people that. It’s a movie, just a movie. The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn’t. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
And, indeed:
THR: What’s the status of Indiana Jones 5? Steven Spielberg says he’s waiting to hear from you.Lucas: I know, and I’m supposed to be working on it right now, but I’m talking to you instead (Laughs).
Lucas: I know, and I’m supposed to be working on it right now, but I’m talking to you instead (Laughs).
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link