Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

i'd love to have a supreme court case rest on an appraisal of LUGs and married craigslist cruisers tho

I read somewhere that this was written expressly for Kennedy

and Kennedy's response?

gaming out the behavior of bi people, i mean, this is just silly

^^^^

there's no scientific evidence for this "two straight parents are better than two gay parents" angle, it should be aggressively contested whenever anyone suggests such nonsense

Conversely, even if it could be shown, it would most likely be because of the ambient bigotry of society.

In a country where every study showing that spanking has a deleterious effect on child development is met by fundamentalist cries that they're 'anti-Christian' (arising from a misunderstanding/mistranslation of Proverbs 13:24), I think this anti-homosexual (as opposed to the total leniency for pork and shellfish eaters, etc...) political hysteria needs to be ridiculed and also shown to be the real negation of Christ.

Dying at this "substantial number of easily swayed to hetero-relationship bisexuals" concept.

Because I didn't go to law school I usually strain to figure out how "compelling interest" and "strict scrutiny" are relevant in cases like this.

pork-eaters make horrible parents fyi

^^^

Why I have avoided procreating, tbh

I also wear a cotton/cashmere blend sweater

infidel I cast thee out

I think scrutiny applies wrt how insane Prop 8 needs to be in order to be unconstitutional.

i.e. If something discriminates on sex, it needs to have a GOOD reason to not get struck down. If something makes some other types of distinctions, it only needs to be plausible to not get struck down?

But I'm not an American law student so :/

long, interesting salon article on maggie gallagher

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/the_making_of_gay_marriages_top_foe/singleton/

this particular detail popped out at me:

Her husband is a “lapsed Hindu,” she says, and she makes it sound as if her two sons do not think of themselves as Catholic. Patrick, now 31, a New York University graduate and aspiring musical-theater librettist, would not be interviewed.

that's a rough read

He occasionally baby-sat for Patrick, until one day, after staying with his son while she attended a conference, he decided he wanted out. “He called me up the next day, or the next, and said that he couldn’t do it anymore, and that he didn’t really want to have anything to do with either of us,” Gallagher says. “And that was it.”

The father remembers it differently. When I ask if he and the woman he got pregnant in college were indeed a couple, he thinks for a moment, then says, “Sort of.”

make way for alfred, WA!

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/02/breaking-washington-state-passes-marriage-equality-after-55-43-house-vote.html

Interesting piece of politicking to have had the bill introduced by the Gov in the first place.

Gregoire's a lame duck and there aren't really any political ramifications at this point for pushing this, since this is her last session in office.

I hope so but I bet it won't be too hard to find 120,577 assholes who want put it to a vote and I'm kind of scared how that will turn out.

― joygoat, Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:09 PM Bookmark Flag

Just because there are 120,577 assholes out there doesn't mean it'll go down in referendum. I'm feeling pretty positive this can pass a vote of the people.

I read in some MSM story in the wake of the Prop 8 ruling a quote of a lesbian with a long-term partner who said "It validates our relationship."

I can understand that sociologically, financially, etc. Not emotionally or intellectually. It VALIDATES you?

Many couples are afraid of admitting to what they consider mercenary motives when interviewed (happened to friends who spoke to a reporter in 2008 about marriage).

http://nplusonemag.com/california-love-story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTJuoM_1OLY

one of my college buddies is a WA state senator; this is his speech about why he, as a Christian, felt so strongly about supporting the bill

(also he's the person who first played Bikini Kill for me, lol)

one of my college buddies is a WA state senator

Christ, Harvard really does run everything.

he wrote our a capella group a fun arrangement of "Bear Necessities"!

Mareen Walsh (R-Walla Walla)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UiGmgqW6ES8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiGmgqW6ES8

wow that was moving, you have very cool friends

just watched the walsh and hansen youtubes from the WA debate. overcome, and so proud of my state.

christie vetoed the NJ bill but MD house just passed theirs:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/02/17/428460/maryland-house-of-delegates-passes-marriage-equality-bill/

And Maryland's senate follows suit!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/same-sex-marriage-bill-approved-by-maryland-senate/2012/02/23/gIQAupqSWR_blog.html?hpid=z1

The story of Lawrence v Texas.

The legal opportunity depended, however, upon persuading the defendants to go along with an unusual strategy. High-powered lawyers would represent Lawrence and Garner, as long as they agreed to stop saying they weren’t guilty and instead entered a “no contest” plea. By doing so, the two were promised relative personal privacy, and given a chance to become a part of gay-civil-rights history. The cause was greater than the facts themselves. Lawrence and Garner understood that they were being asked to keep the dirty secret that there was no dirty secret.

That’s the punch line: the case that affirmed the right of gay couples to have consensual sex in private spaces seems to have involved two men who were neither a couple nor having sex. In order to appeal to the conservative Justices on the high court, the story of a booze-soaked quarrel was repackaged as a love story. Nobody had to know that the gay-rights case of the century was actually about three or four men getting drunk in front of a television in a Harris County apartment decorated with bad James Dean erotica.

wow

three or four men getting drunk in front of a television in a Harris County apartment decorated with bad James Dean erotica

Great sitcom pitch.

three men and a gayby

Bosom Butt Buddies

that's an interesting read, thx alfred!

Bump, et al.

bump, et Al.

so apparently Bamster is going to update ABC News on his evolution this week. It's been a long hard struggle I'm sure.

and hey, my Junk folder just got an email from Sen Gillibrand:

"In an interview with Robin Roberts this afternoon, President Obama publicly announced his support for marriage equality."

Al, as Birdie said to Margo: "Someday is tonight."

Whatever. It took him long enough, but it's finally happened. Get all the damn cards on the table already.

and every night is a good night to hit up gay donors for that individual maximum $35,800.

^^^

For that, I expect Obama himself to marry me.

this is a very cynical election year ploy to shore up his credentials with younger voters - the GOP has no option but to look bad by comparison, Obama gets to look like the reasonable adult in the room etc.

Yeah, that a real shame. SMFH over that.

it's not a shame, it just is what it is