2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Terry Schiavo!

"4 coming up and maybe more after that."

I don't know about this last Obama answer. . . .

Excellent Schiavo answer.

HRC won on the Russia question, btw.

Yeah

O copies the C closing statement from last time and does it better

OMG that Schiavo answer was awesome

I thought Schiavo answer was kinda lame, but it was a better do-no-harm answer than she would have come up with, probably

Obama: "I'd be a better president because people do not hate me."

Obama: "I AM IRON MAN."

wow she looks so fucking tired.

I like the perfunctory Clinton-Russert shake

Obama: "I'd be a better president because people do not hate me."

LOL

that HRC line about being the first questioned and the pillow will haunt her for the next news cycle.

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that HRC line about being the first questioned and the pillow will haunt her for the next news cycle.

So true, and such an odd line-in-the-sand for her to draw tonight.

I didn't watch SNL--is the pillow thing actually a joke they made?

Is this the sketch she was referring to?

http://www.sodahead.com/poll/52744/

Was HRC's answer that she'd like to have a "do-over" on her Iraq Authorization Bill vote a good or bad answer for her (politically)? I'm not sure.

How could it not be good?

I don't see how tonight helps her.

Eppy--yeah it was an actual joke.

It arguably admits a major gaffe on her part that plays into Obama's narrative (that HRC's alleged "experience" is irrelevant if she displays bad judgment).

(xp to Remy)

Because you could play it off as "She's ready on day one to fuck up and then say 'sorry i totally fucked up i would like a mulligan please' as the world burns around her." xpost.

I still think the most important moment of the night was Obama's bizarre aversion to an outright rejection of Farrakhan. I think that will only create problems for him in Ohio.

(I should note that it doesn't bother me personally. I'm not worried about the answer, and I plan to vote for him on the 4th.)

Daniel,

I think it came across as honest (if obvious) without providing any new grist for discussion.

chris matthews getting a boner over russert's ability to get hillary to admit she'd take back her iraq vote.

nasty, grady

no one in ohio gives a rat's ass about louis farrakhan

do they?

I think people do. Obviously his notoriety has diminished in recent years, but a lot of older voters remember him and some of the things he's said and done. If they were on the fence about voting for an African-American (as a lot of older, more moderate Democrats are), that might have been enough to keep them away from Obama.

I can't wait to see the exit poll figures on that.

The Farrakhan thing is just something the Republicans can use in the ge.

No, it's not just limited to the GE. I can definitely see it having some sway among moderate Ohio Democrats.

I may very well be wrong (and I hope I am), but we'll just have to wait and see. I mean, Obama got the opportunity to save himself (and Russert seemed pretty surprised that he wasn't ready for the question and didn't jump on it) - it'll just be a matter of whether or not his answer was decisive enough.

For her part, Clinton didn't miss a beat. She gave the answer that he should have given. It was one of her better moments.

The Farrakhan thing is just something the Republicans can use in the ge.

I may be wrong, too, Nathan, but I don't think Obama's answer will cause him problems in Ohio or the GE. We'll see.

Matthews: if the wife's gonna cancel the husband's vote, maybe they should just stay home, amirite?

that was kinda funny, axully

he didn't actually say that, but it was pretty close

I think it's a real stretch to think "the Farrakhan thing" will have any impact on Ohio. I doubt most voters know who he is, and the ones that do, and think it's a problem, are probably Republicans. Can this be played up in the general election? Maybe, but I doubt this one has any more legs than the other racist tropes that have come out.

I still find it hard, when I hear the name Farrakhan, not to automatically rap to myself "Farrakhan's a prophet that I think you ought to listen to", even though I know how the Farrakhan family treated Malcolm X as well as the nutty stuff he's said since.

It's kind of assholish to REJECT someone's endorsement of you, I mean.. I think Barack answered the question very well and repeatedly stated that he denounced Farrakhan's views on Israel/Judaism... that said, Russert was sort of being a dick about the whole thing but I guess that's his schtick. I knew this would come up, better now than in the GE I guess.

You wouldn't hesistate to reject David Duke's endorsement, I assume.

What about Professor Griff's?

I wouldn't compare Farrakhan and David Duke...

but thats kind of besides the point anyway

what is he supposed to say "I DO NOT WANT UR ENDORSEMENT FUCK OFF", it's not like Farrakhan is campaigning for him

I still find it hard, when I hear the name Farrakhan, not to automatically rap to myself "Farrakhan's a prophet that I think you ought to listen to"

Ha, ha -- Euler OTM

Do people still care about Farrakhan? I mean, is there a significant population that Obama would have lost if he had just said "I reject Farrakhan's endorsement"? I assumed that there is, but I'm not really basing that on anything.

There I agree, BW. Obama handled the question well, as I said above.

clinton lost ohio tonight.