Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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About half hour before the dancing old man.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

who gives me the creeps every time, but after he's left I know that life can carry on (backed by Jeff Stelling)

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but Matt 98-99 was the year of the joint manager business, Houllier had only been put in on his own halfway through, so really a change had already been made that year.

Also if you look at the league table, there's no guarantee of Liverpool getting into Europe AT ALL this year, I sincerely hope they do and think they should nick the Champions League spot but the teams are all very close, and the reality is that every time I have thought Liverpool are back on track this year they've messed up all over again.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does David Moyes have a TRAININGGROUNDBUSTUP with every striker on his books?

And why is he not subsequently viewed as dubious at... "man-management"?

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ever noticed how they seem to play better once Moyes has singed their locks? Not in the case of Jeffers, of course, who probably won't kick a ball for us again. DM is just sorting the wheat from the chaff - and his decision to partner McFadden and Radzinski was entirely vindicated.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Would the PF play better if Moyes locked up his Synge?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ouch

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's you and not the Elland boys will be having the fine times, I'm thinking, and the sweet toffee wheat springing from the sour chaff on the dry Pennines, Michael mavourneen.

― the finefox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa's rightful place, now and forever, is 8th.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love it if Villa nicked that 4th spot

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you implying they can't gain it through above-board means?

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd love it too, but 'they flatter to deceive'. I enjoyed The Nun's comments last night - 'they're a small squad of players and they're doing the best they can'. He's always there first with a pre-emptive excuse.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

in retrospect i am glad i didnt try and force through a shola ameoba = cultured player joke

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Leeds United 1-1 Everton

― the roonfox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

After a bright opening, we were pulped for 70 minutes after another classic characters-from-Dad's Army performance from Gravesen - from "I'm in charge here" to galloping incompetence and eventual withdrawal. He was replaced by Ted Lowe - equally ineffective but at least quiet about it.

I was genuinely miffed by Blackburn's win last night - I went to bed thinking the 2-1 halftime score was the fulltime score and watched in horror as the goals flew in. Souness must go down.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The idea that Villa could be Champeens league contenders having spent most of the season involved in chat about whether they'd be sucked into a relegation battle says a lot about the Premiership this season.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but that "chat" was evidently being conducted by idiots. Villa are neither Champs League nor relegation candidates and haven't been all season.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but they were many people's favoured candidates for this year's club who get sucked into a battle at the death and go down. Mine included. But then Villa bore me terribly.

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still holding out for that to be Man City. Although they're royally fucked if they do, with a payroll like that and no stadium to their name.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not City. Blackburn, if it has to happen.

I have given my view on Villa already.

Glad that Everton held out.

― the beebfox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Where is PF's view on Villa already?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Villa are a big club: possibly they should always be top 6 Or Thereabouts.
I don't think they deserve Champions' League, though.

-- the roonfox (pinefo...), April 13th, 2004.

― the bellefox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh sorry, I thought it was some big extended philosophical thing. I read that yesterday. You're right though. Except there are loads of clubs as Big as Villa, such as Everton. Am I forever stuck in 1978?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Everton are bigger.

(I am sorry to disappoint - I have not yet formulated my big extended philosophical thing on Aston Villa.)

I am stuck too, though not, oddly, in 1978. I suppose if I were, we could keep each other company.

― the bluefox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

PF in stuck in 1989 shockah!

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(Mooro - I don't want to clog this thread with such talk - but that mail of yours doesn't work... does it?

I have mailed you elsewhere so hope that works.)

― the beebfox, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a couple of months old, but I found this Michael Robinson interview very entertaining. Did you all see it?

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

re Villa Champions League - I was the one - yes me - who tipped Charlton to go down this season but there they are in contention for that 4th spot along with Villa and about 5 other teams. this doesn't really tell you anything much about THIS Premiership season tho, if you know me and my predicting abilities.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you N. FWIW I think Michael Robinson does exactly what he's told on the telly, they've just managed to convince him otherwise. And he and his fellow presenters are just as much up each other's arse as Hansen and co. And his programme has a whole section devoted to refereeing errors. Etc, etc. And at one and a half hours it's far too long.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 18 April 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

It was really the thoughts on Britney and Kylie.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 18 April 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

so how come noone's talking about this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/3697713.stm

???

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder what the Liverpool Echo's position is on this. I recall they disdainfully dismissed the 'Manchester consortium' (Kenwright-led group bidding for EFC in the mid-90s) in favour of solid, local businessman Peter J*hns*n (former Anfield season ticket holder).

This is an especially miserable moment to revive this thread - Everton on the verge of completing one of their worst seasons of all time (9 wins - which we won't add to at City - equalling 71-72, 79-80 and 97-98's nadirs) while Liverpool will be Champions Leaguers again tomorrow night courtesy of Southampton.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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Turned out nice again, in't it?

― George the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You can stick your ukelele up your arse.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If only George had have lived long enough to have released 'When I'm Cleaning Windows' on Factory Recds. George is holding his uke just the same way that Ian C held his vox teardrop....

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ukelele was a waste of money

― ken bates (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Moyes has been apologizing for the season. He also says he needs a load of money; but he is to sign a new contract.

Something I don't like: Michael Owen saying 'my contract negotiations will last a long time... they're not the kind of thing you can sort out in a week', plus 'it's not about money'.

So what is it about? 'Finding out whether the club are ambitious enough to take my career to the next level', maybe? I don't see how prolonged contract negotiations can resolve such a question.

I also think, as probably I have already said on this thread, that Owen owes Liverpool something now, not the other way around.

I don't like the way he keeps his clean and local image despite being essentially greedy and disloyal.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How is he greedy and disloyal? Lots of players of his calibre would have left Liverpool a long time ago, and they might have been right to do so too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

They might leave, but one is accountable for one's choices - he chose to do the 'I'm staying with Liverpool, cos I believe in them, and I've been with them for ages etc' then turn around and go. It might not be right, nor fair, but is understandable given what has gone before. Choices, responsibility and accountability to thread (and football).

Just realised that I've not added that the real hero / villain of this thread is Howard kendall. When he left, Harvey became manager, in an attempt (I suspect) to recreate the boot room culture (and no bad thing for cottoning onto continuity as key facet of success). However, Harvey never replaced himself, and thus the Everton scouting system missed some young lads who as Evertonians, really wanted to play for the club. Like Fowler. Like McManaman, and like the boy Michael. Opps. Big fucking oops.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

After Saints 3-3 Toon tonight I'd like to offer hearty congratulations to all the nice Liverpool fans I know on achieving Champions League status with the same number of points that took Everton to 7th last year.

I'd resigned myself before tonight that Liverpool missing out on the mother of all club competitions would only be like Becker skipping the clay court season with a knee injury - kinda satisfying but ultimately you know you'd be missing out on some possible comedy.

4th place, though...wow. It's absolutely the best you could've hoped for and you've done it. Crack open the sparkling wine. I'll have a gin and bitter lemon.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

We deserved nothing, but I guess funny old game etc etc. We can't be that many points ahead of your boys anyway can we.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

great game between newcastle and saints! shame liverpool-newcastle match isn't a fight for the c.league tho, that would have been fun for the neutral. i looked at the pool starting 11 before the birmingham game, and thought "actually, that's quite a strong team". it was = dudek, finnan, hyppia, carragher, riise, kewell, gerrard, hammann, murphy, owen, heskey. strong finish should not gloss over the fact that houllier has had 2 dodgy seasons in a row, though.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

We can't be that many points ahead of your boys anyway can we.

20, probably 23 come Saturday. That's a lot - it was down to seven or eight a few weeks ago. All sour barbs aside, Liverpool *have* finished strongly - you were bound to prosper once Houll remembered who was supposed to take the pens.

I wonder if I've still got that Marseille game on tape? I need cheering up.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree it's been a good finish, the last few performances have been, as I said upthread, close to the best all season.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Gerrard (the Scouse version, not the French one) can take a lot of credit for the strong run in.

Would like to reiterate what a cracking game that was last night. It makes you wonder how 0-0 bore draws can happen. End to end, great saves, you knew goals would be scored, rookie youngsters trying to prove themselves etc. An unexpected delight.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

That Southampton keepers save from the Shearer header had me putting in admiration, there should have been more made of it, it was a "wondersave".

― chris (chris), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

purring even, I was not playing gelf

― chris (chris), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Newly weds can't spell.

― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 13 May 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

the gelf thing was intentional though :o(

― chris (chris), Thursday, 13 May 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

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