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THE man bankrolling the launch of a new political party branded as fascist by the Scottish Tories yesterday broke his silence to reassure potential supporters: "I’m not a dictator - I just sound off a bit about things that annoy me."

Robert Durward, a Lanarkshire businessman, has joined forces with Mark Adams - a former Downing Street civil servant once accused of leaking Cabinet papers to undermine Tony Blair’s government - to launch the right-wing New Party, with plans to field candidates in the next Scottish parliamentary elections.

Until now, the pair have been reluctant to go into detail about the party’s policies, and doubts have been cast on whether the party exists as anything other than a publicity campaign to draw attention to Mr Durward’s lengthy list of pet hates.

Yesterday Mr Durward, who has spoken out against environmentalists and "witchhunts" against drink drivers, and once suggested allowing the army to run schools and hospitals, finally came out into the open to defend his involvement and to counter claims of fascism.

"I’m certainly not a dictator, I’ve no intentions of being a dictator," he said.

"My staff think this is hilarious, by the way. I’ve been getting a certain type of salute when I appear every morning, but it is certainly a bit hurtful to be called a fascist. That is the last thing I am."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

fascist belgian to be welcomed by Scottish politicians
michael c, 19.08.2003 13:47

Efforts are being made to prevent a leading member of the far-right Belgian party Vlaams Blok visiting the Scottish parliament.

MSPs say they are horrified that Dominiek Lootens-Stael, the party's leader on the Brussels regional parliament and a member of the Flemish parliament, will be in a Flemish delegation making a four-day visit to Holyrood next month.


Anger as Scottish presiding officer approves visit by far-right Belgian MP

Vlaams Blok (Flemish Bloc), which has been likened to the British National party, was barred from visiting the Welsh assembly last week by its presiding officer, Dafydd Elis Thomas.

But the Holyrood presiding officer, George Reid, has approved the visit, against the advice of the Foreign Office, which warned Holyrood about the party's background.

Yesterday, the Scottish Labour party and the Scottish National party demanded that Mr Reid veto the trip.

"Extremists are abhorrent to the overwhelming majority of Scots," Shona Robison, the SNP social justice spokeswoman, said.

She added: "I believe their views to be racist and they must not be given a shred of legitimacy."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The American right and Scottish nationalism
By Steve James
3 February 1999
Staffordshire University research fellow, Dr. Euan Hague, spent four years in America researching the marketing of "Scottishness" by organisations such as the Scottish National Party and the Scottish Tourist Board. In a lecture delivered to the Royal Geographical Society, "The Production and Consumption of Scotland and Scottishness in the USA", he paid special attention to the celebration of "Scottish culture" and support for Scottish independence amongst America's right wing and fascist movements.

Hague noted the dramatic increase in cultural organisations such as St. Andrews Societies and Caledonian Groups, which celebrate Highland Games, Burns Nights, bagpipes, clan genealogy and tartan. In 1969, 20 groups across the US organised Highland Games. Now there are 200 such groups.

In part, these activities are harmless, if not to everyone's taste. At the same time Dr. Hague brought out the distinct militarism, the celebration of a muscular backwardness--drinking and throwing trees--and the distinctly all-white character of most of the proceedings.

They also reflect the search for an identity that apparently has nothing to do with contemporary, socially polarised America. One man interviewed at a Caledonian event told Dr. Hague, "I think the clans have nothing to do with how people usually sort themselves, e.g., by class, race, sexuality, or whatever."

Of the promotion of a wider "Celtic identity", Hague says, "An added level of this spectacle is that much of it perceives a wider Celtic relationship between Scotland, Ireland and Wales, all conjoined in an anti-English bloc. Thus, in the construction of Scottishness understood in the United States, Celtic imagery and cultural commodities are to the fore. This is seen in the associations made between Scotland and Ireland in 'Celtic festivals' across the United States and in the Hollywood film, Braveheart.

"What is appealing about asserting a strong Celtic Scottishness within this imagination of Scotland? They [the Celts] are the original primordial folk and it is their culture and community that are embedded in Scotland. Deeply and spiritually immersed in, and at one with, the physical territory of Scotland, the purity of the Celts is understood by many in the Scottish American community to have been corrupted by Anglicisation."

This interest is not confined to the traditionally right-wing Caledonian Societies. Southern secessionists and outright fascist groups have both adopted a version of Scottish history as their own, and celebrate Celtic culture.

Contemporary Southern secessionist Dr. Michael Hill, leader of the racist League of the South, said in 1997, "Our Anglo-Celtic Southern culture and its history, heroes, songs, symbols, and banners are under attack and their defence could serve as an immediate rallying point. But we should go beyond that to the task of educating our people about their ties ... the names and deeds of William Wallace, Andrew de Moray, Robert Bruce.... Sir James (the Black) Douglas, James Graham of Montrose among scores of others should become commonplace." All these are from the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries of the feudal era in Scotland.

The connection between the Southern right and Scotland has a historic progeny. The Ku Klux Klan is said to have been formed by emigrant Scots cavalry officers within the Confederate Army in 1860. Its oaths were imported from the Society of the Horseman's Word in North East Scotland, and the burning cross was used as a call to arms by Scottish clans in the fourteenth century. The Confederate flag bears a distinct resemblance to the Scots Saltire.

The sinister and openly fascistic Christian Identity is viewed as one of the more influential fascist networks in America. It has circulated 50,000 copies of the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath championing Scottish independence. Christian Identity view all "Celtic" races including Scots, Irish, Welsh, regional English, as descendants of the 10 tribes of Israel, with the Scots being the "purest". Jewish people by contrast are described as descendants of the devil.

The Scotsman newspaper interviewed Thomas Leyden, a former white supremacist, who told of a visit to an Aryan Nation's compound in Oregon where haggis and bagpipes were as praised as Hitler's brownshirts and the Ku Klux Klan. Leyden told the Scotsman, "There is an image they like to cultivate of tough, hardy people in the Highlands who fight a London government which cares nothing for its culture or its people."

On March 20 last year, the US Senate passed a resolution inaugurating an annual Tartan Day every April 6. This is to "recognize the outstanding achievements and contributions made by Scottish Americans to the United States". Tartan Day emerged after several years of campaigning by the Scottish Coalition of business and heritage groups. Though it won Democratic backing, the Republican right, most notably party leaders Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich, heavily promoted the Tartan Day resolution. Lott had moved the resolution for three years running before it was finally passed.

The resolution bizarrely claims the Declaration of Arbroath as the inspiration of the US Declaration of Independence. It goes on, "This resolution honors the major role that Scottish Americans played in the founding of this Nation, such as the fact that almost half the signers of the Declaration of Independence were of Scottish descent, the Governors in 9 of the original 13 states were of Scottish ancestry, Scottish Americans successfully shaped this country in its formative years and guided this Nation through its most troubled times."

Linking the Arbroath declaration of the late Middle Ages with the Declaration of Independence--a document inspired by the progressive ideas of the Enlightenment--is at best highly dubious. But it encapsulates the right wing's preoccupation with Scotland. As Hague explains, "Scottish identity in the USA is substantially more than just romantic nonsense. Scottishness in the USA is constructed within a specific political rhetoric.... Tartan Day reasserts the authentic, original America, using as a route to this an assertion of Scottish ethnicity and Scottish tradition.... Today's society, by contrast, is perceived to be amoral and superficial, whereas the 'ancient' Scottish and especially Celtic traditions are understood as authentic and spiritual.

"This Scotland is strongly imagined in terms of being white, militaristic and family oriented. Such opinions tally with the US political right, and hence it is no surprise when Republican and right-wing conservative leaders sponsor Tartan Day."

The Scottish National Party raises support and maintains an office in the US, and its recruiting leaflets are circulated at Celtic fairs and events. Hague warned them: "Scottishness in the USA is tied up in a politics much further to the right than the SNP advocate for Scotland. Perhaps this could come back to haunt Scotland, especially as the feeling is that American Scots should have more say in Scottish affairs."

It is apparent that sections of the US far right, including those presently assailing Clinton, find a mythical version of Scottish history useful for their present political purposes. This fabricated Scotland closely echoes contemporary rhetoric. This nation of "Bravehearts" has no social classes, only Scots. It devotes itself to defending "ancient freedoms"--that are thankfully bound up with land, property and religion--against a foreign threat, both external and internal.

This is not a recent invention. In addition to portraying Scotland as classless, Scottish nationalism has always had a pronounced right-wing element. The origins of the SNP itself lie partly in the National Party, one of whose 1930s pamphlet declared, "Class antagonism is a thing quite foreign to the Scottish spirit. It was unknown here until it was imported from England.... In Scotland there is no such inherent feeling of a separation between classes."

In 1937, at a time of considerable anti-Catholic hysteria directed against Irish workers in Scotland, the SNP warned of a "Green Terror" caused by Irish immigration, and called for the Scottish people to be given the "key to the racial destiny of their country" or face a race war.

Today, the SNP present themselves as a left-wing party of "civic nationalism". They dismissed Hague's warning, albeit rather nervously, and attacked him in the Scottish press. Both the SNP and the Labour government welcomed Tartan Day as a means to win more US investment in Scotland. Nevertheless, the ease with which the extreme right in America has assimilated Scottish nationalism and its historical icons contradicts the view advanced by the SNP and others such as the Scottish Socialist Party that Scottish nationalism is inherently progressive. It should, as Hague cautions, give pause for thought regarding the true political character of the current resurgence of nationalism.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i gotta new handle

smug mtl fuck (slutsky), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Scotland did produce a variety of extremist parties, some with links to fascist organisations. In the 1930s anti-Catholic parties including the Scottish Protestant League (SPL) in Glasgow and Protestant Action in Edinburgh took up to a third of the votes in local council elections. Alexander Ratcliffe, leader of the SPL, had previously been a member of the 'British Fascists' who famously claimed, "What Britain needs is a Hitler", as was Billy Fullerton, erstwhile leader of a band of sectarian thugs called the 'Billy Boys', who was awarded a medal for strikebreaking in the 1926 General Strike. John Cormack of Protestant Action lacked such fascist connections, and even led physical opposition to Oswald Mosley on his visit to Edinburgh in 1934. The Blackshirts' sympathy for a united Ireland and Mussolini's associations with the Vatican were too much for them to take.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

slocki you are cute, not smug

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

they're not mutually exclusive!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

also I can't see you making fun of Jews a la McInnes

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(xp: shoulda signed that

cute mtl fuck) (slutsky), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i do like a nice jewish joke tho!

smug/cute mtl jew (slutsky), Friday, 18 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: harmless joking about Jews vs. acting smug 'cause you took over their neighborhood

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i kinda did take over a jewish neighbourhood, or at least i'm part of a demographic that did! but i'm jewish! so where does that leave me?

gentrifying mtl fuck (slutsky), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

What is this, 'I Can Cut And Paste' week?

And where is the anti-Semitism in Vice?

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When McInnes rates the accomplishments of French Canadians (or "Frogs," as he calls them), he boasts of his ability to "perfectly evaluate an entire culture in a matter of paragraphs." Ditto contributor Christi Bradnox, whose entire summary of Christianity reads: "Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jews and Romans killed Jesus, but he came back from the dead so he must have been a zombie."

Mel Gibson + Romero

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Invent a new ILX controversy.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

GM: I think we got pissed off only after we wrote what came naturally to us and it offended people. We were determined to leave it in. It was just the way we talked. It’s surprising how brainwashed by hippies most of our generation is. Pro-love, pro-diversity, pro-tolerance–that’s the hippies’ bag. You want to hear people talk about niggers, try hanging around with black people. They are harsh. You want to hear anti-Semitism, go hang around with some Jews. You should hear Suroosh talk about fucking Pakis. It’s ear-burning. I’d argue that racists like the KKK don’t really have anything to say about niggers and fags because they don’t know any. They don’t go, "I am so sick of fucking drag queens. They are so self-indulgent. Fashion this, fashion that. Can’t you talk about politics for one second, you fucking transsexual?" They don’t know. We’re in the thick of it. When we’re pitching our television show, I say, "Understand that we are freaks. We’re not delving into the freak world. We live with the dregs of humanity. So when we say that we’re going to do a little questionnaire, like, ‘Do you think Saddam has weapons?’ we’re not going to talk to dentists and stuff. We’re going to ask our friends, and it’ll be a stripper, a junkie lying on the sidewalk, a bald guy with AIDS…"

SS: It’s the universality of youth subculture. With magazines being read internationally and so many tv shows and movies going international, the trendsetting kids in France, Germany, the UK or fucking New York are wearing the same jeans and listening to the same music. I would say that people in London and Manchester are more excited [about Vice] than people in New York and L.A. The response here is insane, but there it’s fanatical, with 1000 copies or whatever the hell we seeded it with. We’ve been called the best magazine in the world by four of the best magazines in England. Coming from Montreal was like coming from Reykjavik to some people. Like, "How can they talk about hiphop, the frozen troglodytes?" I don’t know if it’s the foreign thing or just the renaissance in New York, but you can open up any English magazine and see, like, a picture of the coffee guy over on the corner.

GM: Yeah, they’re really impressed by Williamsburg. You’re like, "You mean the big dorm? The fucking flipflop capital of the world?"

Don’t you get hostile being in this neighborhood every day?

GM: Well, at least they’re not fucking niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they’re white

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

not a new controversy

Far from groundbreaking, the mag is just the latest in a tired tradition that stretches back through the early-'90s hatezine Answer Me!, the '80s underground of Amok Press, Loompanics, and Forced Exposure, all the way to Hustler and Screw. Vice also trails in the slimy wake of the British magazine Loaded, whose unrepentantly reprobate machismo (slogan: "For men who should know better") reached our shores via Maxim and FHM.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a great demonstration of John's point (I think it was John) that de-railed threads are the best threads ever.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

See, this is the thing Momus; McInnes comes across as a racist douchebag. Why are you so quick to align yourself with someone with this image?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus I don't have a copy to hand but when last I read one am I misremembering them throwing around the word "jew," with a lower-case even? I don't think so.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

We did Calum a year ago, and we did this, with the same Gavin Mc Cut/Pastes, a year ago. I seem to remember I told you that my Bangladeshi in-laws called each other 'Paki'. Update: most people on ILX have now shifted their views on Vice. Many read it and find it amusing.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ananova.com/images/web/61256.jpg

kephm, Friday, 18 June 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

oh please Momus give it up.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(P.S. While I imagine that Momus, guardian of "free speech," will find the whole thing disturbing, cause for alarm!!! I think it's great that Google has a little "offensive search results" deal at the top of the page.)

xpost: Update: most people on ILX have now shifted their views on Vice. Many read it and find it amusing.

Update: you're either delusional or you're kidding yourself. Most people who decry racism hate Vice with a passion.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Update: most people on ILX have now shifted their views on Vice. Many read it and find it amusing.

Produce your Nixonian "Silent Majority," please.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, what do your inlaws have to do with Macinnes's words?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

John, I clicked the first of those 'jew' refs and got Sarah Silberman:

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v10n10/htdocs/free.php

Hint: You need to read the texts, not just Google.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously Momus I respect your intelligence and I've grown to like you personally. Your refusal to at the very least register some concern about, say, the total fucking bullshit I linked to above is really a huge bummer. And if you think people who wanna "liberate" the word "Jew" aren't gonna vote Bush, you're kidding yourself like way super-bad.

I love how my California patois comes out when I get all aggro

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

DID YOU CLICK ON ANY OF THE OTHERS, MY MYOPIC FRIEND? jesus CHRIST

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ. Have fun with your edgy magazine, bwana.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hint: You need to read the texts, not just Google.

And seriously, eat a bag of dicks for this. Have you read the other texts?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

MOMUS: Punk was exciting — the energy, the anger, the hatred, the visciousness, the bile, the spleen! But it wasn't smart enough, and it wasn't going anywhere politically. The "no-future" philosophy actually, if anything, ushered in the conservatives.
STEVE: Like Nixon in '68.

oh jesus

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

six fucking pages of racist drivel and Momus wants to defend it. Sad stuff, man.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus is latin for the point when the left become right again.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, what do your inlaws have to do with Macinnes's words

Gavin says:

'You want to hear people talk about niggers, try hanging around with black people. They are harsh. You want to hear anti-Semitism, go hang around with some Jews. You should hear Suroosh talk about fucking Pakis. It’s ear-burning. I’d argue that racists like the KKK don’t really have anything to say about niggers and fags because they don’t know any. They don’t go, "I am so sick of fucking drag queens. They are so self-indulgent. Fashion this, fashion that. Can’t you talk about politics for one second, you fucking transsexual?" They don’t know. We’re in the thick of it.'

This theme, who is entitled to say what about whom, is one Vice keeps coming back to. It's also what Sarah's article is about.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course A.O. "Tony" Scott is white. Do you seriously think the Times would employ TWO black film critics?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is your idea of a better world one where everyone is allowed to refer to each other in the most demeaning, hateful ways possible, bwana?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

That's some bleeding-edge thinking right there. I mean, Chris Rock hasn't based a career on it or anything.

xpost

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to Momus - you are no longer entitled to say anything about American politics ever again. Oh okay, you can say anything you want, but there's no reason why anyone should ever think what you have to say is interesting or important.

jaymc - no, I was thought Elvis was Tony and Tony was Elvis, see?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, one of the most striking things I ever heard from you was the one time you mentioned performing a sad love song during the end of a relationship where you and the other person were both emotional wrecks. You're not a robot. You have a heart. And for all that you're posting under your stage name here, it's still clear to me you have that heart.

My question isn't why you're working with Vice, really. It isn't that you have a persona you maintain. It's just that you thrive off peoples' rage and anger so easily and so readily, and I wonder why. If you're like Calum in that respect -- well, enjoy. For my part, I think it's a sad waste of your own time and energy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - plus I just couldn't fathom a black man being named Elvis.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans either get very very angry about 'who is entitled to say what about whom', and we get into debates like the one this thread was started about: you can't say that. But it just so happens that the demographic Vice is interested in is comprised of people for whom 'you can't say that' is like a red rag to a bull.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupid people who think it's still 1985 (or 77 or 68)?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is the rag always intrinsically worth waving?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, you're asking a songwriter. 'You can't say that' is just not an option.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Only incredibly naive, incredibly immature or incredibly stupid people think that upsetting and insulting people is automatically a good thing.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one are you?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost you can blahblah all the livelong day l'il Nickie but until you have something interesting to say why shouldn't we tell you how stupid you can be?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'You can't say that' is just not an option.

Why?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"to a poet, everything is useful" (probably misquoted) isn't an invitation to insult, divide and degrade people, Momus (sorry, don't post that often - I really like Momus though, from what I've read). All of the "don't tell me what to call people" is very 'funny' and 'cool' till you're getting those words scrawled on your walls or yelled at you when they kick you in the face. And arguing for these words only makes more space for violent and ill-intentioned people to operate.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)


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