Flag Post

so OK, you can flag multiple posts by the same poster (assuming those posts are being flagged for different reasons or on different occasions/threads), and each time that action will be paid some attention by mods, but otherwise the rules remain the same about 51-unique-posters being the 'total'?

well that prob was the case w/ sb too

yeah i guess i never really was clear on that, whether each SB was actually looked at or just could be looked at it if a mod felt like it, and if a 2nd SB from one poster to another even registered

can we make it so nobody gets banned?

just want to toss that idea out there

it would make ilx a lot cooler, think abt it

it would definitely lead to a gift of gabb

^^^^

(Or just save banning for serious NewGod-type cases.)

semantic changes are the most powerful changes

― dayo

idk why but i laughed

I know this is a tired old saw from me, and will likely be quoted on a lol thread etc., etc., but: I genuinely believe that if somebody is endangering the, um, spirit of community, sense of trust, or safety or privacy of ILX at large it is in the best interest of the board that there be a mechanism to (at least temporarily) separate them from the system

tbh the spirit of the community is kind of mean and funny, most of the time

http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/theshunning.jpg

otm, anyone who isn't mean and funny enough should be separated from ilx

all hail president morbs

so OK, you can flag multiple posts by the same poster (assuming those posts are being flagged for different reasons or on different occasions/threads), and each time that action will be paid some attention by mods, but otherwise the rules remain the same about 51-unique-posters being the 'total'?

No, this isn't how it works and it wasn't how it worked before today. If you SB'd someone yesterday and FP'd the same poster (different post) tonight, that FP doesn't show up to mods. I think it would be good if it did, though -- stet, could a separate report be rigged up for that?

I know this is a tired old saw from me, and will likely be quoted on a lol thread etc., etc., but: I genuinely believe that if somebody is endangering the, um, spirit of community, sense of trust, or safety or privacy of ILX at large it is in the best interest of the board that there be a mechanism to (at least temporarily) separate them from the system

― gnome (remy bean), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:27 PM (5 minutes ago)

ok thomas jefferson

grady and christine otm

yeah some dude raises a good point (xp thanks wmc) - if ppl can flag multiple posts by the same user that kind of messes with the numbers

The thing is, the number of sb-banned posters < the number of genuinely disruptive posters.

given that ilx is a pretty self-selecting group, bans obviously aren't necessary, we can debate whether some of the old-school ones were but i don't think anyone here can seriously say they felt unsafe or whatever when whiney or frogbs or burt_stanton was posting - imo the old school way is the best: if someone is causing problems start a (serious) "ban ___" thread, let the issues be hashed out and the offender be given a chance to defend himself, mod oligarchy makes an informed ruling

The thing is, the number of sb-banned posters < the number of genuinely disruptive posters.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:37 PM (1 minute ago)

kind of doubt that? who was the last actual disruptive poster? newgod? frogbs, to use the most recent example, is actually a very civil person who just says a lot of dumb shit

No, this isn't how it works and it wasn't how it worked before today. If you SB'd someone yesterday and FP'd the same poster (different post) tonight, that FP doesn't show up to mods. I think it would be good if it did, though -- stet, could a separate report be rigged up for that?

― Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:32 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK -- so there's basically no way to flag a post if you already flagged an unrelated post by that person like two months earlier and probably already forgot about it? just trying to be clear on the utility of this thing.

there is literally no realistic scenario in which "disruptive" posts and/or posters disappear from ilx and the board is in any way better. there is no ideal peaceful environment anyone is hoping to attain.

if by disruptive we mean "fucking shit" then

OK -- so there's basically no way to flag a post if you already flagged an unrelated post by that person like two months earlier and probably already forgot about it? just trying to be clear on the utility of this thing.

― lana del rey: everythang's workin' (some dude),

Yeah, that's where we're at. Now with the semantic change from "alerting mods to this poster" to "alerting mods to this post," I do hope it'll be possible for stet to create a report page that will reflect that shift.

Hmm, I guess I should have used the inequality sign rather than the greater than sign; it wouldn't have been as accurate, but it wouldn't have been as easy to misunderstand.

oh and I figured out that I hate the jump-back-to-top thing because I reflexively click "bookmark" before I comment, so I click "bookmark" and then it jumps and then I have to hit "end" or whatever to comment.

Also I think generally it's a bit of bad browser citizenship/violates expectations. The link says "bookmark" not "bookmark and jump to the top".

Yeah I like the old bookmarks.

so this is interesting; never ever used SB but i think i'll actually use flagging.

TBF i actually did EVER use SB but quit as soon as i started steady moddin

But it's the same thing so why would you change how you use it? Idgi

because it invites moderator intervention and isn't a referendum on the poster so much as an individual post
this feels radically christian! blame the sin not the sinner etc

But, is it the point to eliminate the post or, with cause, to eliminate the poster of the post? I'm not sure there is any simple way to eliminate the post, so the poster will still be the eventual repository of the sin and receiver of the punishment.

the poster may be improved, the post may not

lol so i guess mods really were manipulating sb totals that suxx

Where do you get that from exactly

Remy talked about it upthread. I've gone on record before saying I never felt comfortable judging an SB and finding it delete-worthy.

Don't pay that no never mind, sir.

Such people will never understand what is involved in moderating a forum like ilx. They want to know the exact wording of every rule, and then want to dispute every shred of judgement a mod exercises. Basically, they just want to do what they want to do and complain about anything that might possibly prevent them.

Side note: do we record who did the flagging/suggesting? remy's judgment on validity makes it seem that may be the case, but he may be judging based on the post flagged.

Btw I think the system should not show the flagger to mods

Yeah, the flagger/SB'er is ID'd. I don't mean to throw Remy under the bus or anything. Every mod has a different approach, to the site's benefit imo, and I'm not saying mine is better than his.

It's cool, just banned Remy.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5138069991_0c373fdb10.jpg

can we make it so nobody gets banned?

no; this is a terrible idea, banning is good and important & when people can't stop being uncool to people they need a fucking "you sit out for a minute" break

a minute, 30 days, same diff

it is actually the "same diff"

a month seems right about right for somebody to go "shit, there was stuff about being on that board that I enjoyed aside from going out of my way to be a dick to people, maybe when I go back I can quit being a fucking nine-year-old"

disagree.

strongly agree -- some people have poor impulse control. they need to be shown they don't have a blank check for every impulse.

I could really be talked down to 2 weeks gr80 probably it's not like I don't see the sense it the anti-SB crowd's point, although the "never ban anyone" point seems to me like a "fuck weak people! fuck anybody who can't take really relentless constant abuse from crowds of ppl who're great at bullying online!" stance which like...there's the rest of the internet for that garbage, "enjoy"

just for clarity's sake, 'suggest ban' is now 'flag post'? literally nothing else has changed?

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