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my friend had, in high school, some kind of picture book of the making-of "querelle." man, that freaked me out.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a fassbinder retro going on RIGHT NOW in chicago but i've been way too busy to see any of it. also horribly disturbing movies about dying transexuals/failed political martyrs/self-loathing drug addicts are not necessarily what i want to see straight after work.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...

Ha ha, I went to see "Satan's Brew" last night - it's totally insane! Next time I fall out with someone I'm going to screech "Petty bourgeois historicism!" at them. I think Kurt Raab is one of my favourite actors of all time.

ihttp://www.einhorn-film.at/filme_qrst/satansbraten_1.jpg

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:16 (twenty years ago)

i'm come out and be a bit meh on this. i need to re-see his stuff perhaps. big dvd release for half of his films pretty soon.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:20 (twenty years ago)

Recently saw his TV version of A Doll's House, Nora Helmer which is minor but of a piece with most everything else (except stuff he was utterly ill-suited for, like the sex farce of Satan's Brew).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:31 (twenty years ago)

most of his films are sex farces (without the farce).

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

And without the sex

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

has anyone here actually seen ALL of herr fasbinder's movies? like all 20,000 of them?

You know, we attempted to do this once but they had a cap on how many movies you could rent out at one time at V1deo 2 G0 and slowly but surely the place's actually very impressive collection of RWF films started disappearing...so we kind of meh'ed it off and bogarted another director's collection instead. Lili Marleen is probably the one I like best when I think about it and force myself to decide.

big dvd release for half of his films pretty soon.

This is good news, cf. the first half of my post! When I go back to Amherst maybe we can work on completing our goal now.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)

ah, but probably the *same* half that's been out in the states for a while!

as yet no-one's done 'the third generation' fer example.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Hold on, I'm going away to count how many I've seen...

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

these are the upcoming uk r-2 releases:

http://www.arrowfilms.co.uk/index.php?c=y&s=c3081b19d9971d2ee5fc791fddcadc2c

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Only 24!

Querelle
Veronika Voss
Lola
Berlin Alexanderplatz
Despair
In a Year with 13 Moons
The Marriage of Maria Braun
Bolwieser
Chinese Roulette
Satan’s Brew
I Only Want You to Love Me
Fear of Fear
Faustrecht der Freiheit
Mother Küsters’ Trip to Heaven
Effi Briest
Fear Eats the Soul
The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant
The Merchant of Four Seasons
Pioneers in Ingolstadt
The American Soldier
Beware of a Holy Whore
Rios Das Mortes
Gods of the Plague
Katzelmacher

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

But Enrique we didn't get through the available half (DVD and VHS tho, we had both goin on) due to video store indie hipster theft so still ok :D

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:49 (twenty years ago)

dada u srsly saw 'Berlin Alexanderplatz'?

kudos man.

it's fucking 28 hours long.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It was on telly, back when telly was good. Which is also where I first saw:

Veronika Voss
Lola
Despair
The Marriage of Maria Braun
Bolwieser
Chinese Roulette
I Only Want You to Love Me
Faustrecht der Freiheit
Effi Briest
Fear Eats the Soul
The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant
The Merchant of Four Seasons
Pioneers in Ingolstadt
The American Soldier
Beware of a Holy Whore
Rios Das Mortes
Gods of the Plague
Katzelmacher

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Well it's not like you have to sit and watch it all in one sitting. xpost

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

They showed it on Channel 4 in weekly episodes

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:55 (twenty years ago)

it's funny cos sontag in her piece on the 'death of cinephilia' about ten years ago mentioned 'alexanderplatz' as the kind of film today's mtv-bred, michael bay-loving kids couldn't take in the cinema (as opposed to evil tv) because of its duration (which, of course, was only really take-able by semi-employed dudes like... susan sontag).

natch it was made for tv.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't think very many people, old or young of Michael Bay, would find it easy to sit in a theatre for 15 and a half hours, that's kind of a bit of nonsense. I mean it wasn't technically made to be sat thru straight in a theatre.

Whatever, ppl be having their rather ridiculous strawmen shocker.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Alexanderplatz is 'only' 15-1/2 hours...
Saw it in 2 sittings, MoMA 1997. Fassbinder's assistant (and legal wife) said he preferred it be seen in two large chunks. Günter Lamprecht and Gottfried John were there, too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:05 (twenty years ago)

I doubt RWF himself ever watched it in one sitting, I doubt he could have sat still long enough

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I mean it wasn't technically made to be sat thru straight in a theatre.
Whatever, ppl be having their rather ridiculous strawmen shocker.
-- Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyza...), May 5th, 2006.

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[...] Fassbinder's assistant (and legal wife) said he preferred it be seen in two large chunks. [...]

-- Dr Morbius (wjwe...), May 5th, 2006.

dada otm, this is one of those occasions when you can safely ignore a famously egocentric cokehound.

― the Enrique who edits for clarity (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Kudos however to anyone who's watched "Eight Hours Are Not A Day" in one sitting!

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Well you can always "safely" ignore them, it's not like you're going to ruin your experience by watching it in four goes or something.

I can see why he'd say he preferred it to be watched in larger chunks, though but there can be logistical difficulties with that (ie I'm hoping the movie theatre gave intermissions so viewers didn't have to miss 5 minute bits and pieces of the movie if they had to pee sometime during the 8 hours--and also for those of us who can hold it, so we don't have to miss parts of the movie for ppl getting up and down constantly!).

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Just had a phone call to ask if I want to go and see "Maria Braun" tomorrow night (free tickets). Juliane Lorenz will be there. It's not my favourite but it's free!

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Search for the book 'Love is Colder Than Death', far more entertaining than his films and brimming with omgwtf moments.

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

exciting

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 17 July 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

What do customers ultimately buy after viewing items like this?
50% buy the item featured on this page:The Third Generation DVD ~ Hanna Schygulla

This should put paid to that little statistic.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 17 July 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

What's the deal here? 3rd Generation was part of the box sets mentionned on top of this thread.

― Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

I guess that might have been Europe-only.

Related question: I swore I saw a 'Berlin Alexanderplatz' DVD box set somewhere in a shop, but all searches on Amazon come up blank. Did I dream this up? Any idea when that might happen?

― Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

looks like there's no proper release but that you can maybe get it on DVD from here

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

This film, which is basically the longest narrative film ever made...

IT IS A TV SERIES

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

Peer Raben dies:

http://daily.greencine.com/archives/003110.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

RIP Peer.

― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

reissue soundtracks asap

esp. Chinese Roulette

this compilation is outstanding

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

aw man. i love the theme from "lili marleen."

― joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

Would be awesome if 'Berlin..' ws broadcast on BBC4? Don't see why not (unless there are restricttions placed on that by Fassbinder's ppl), they did a broadcast of 'Dekalog' in 2005 (or ws it last year).

― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

would like to see

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

i would watch the crazy final part. i managed to miss the entirety of 'heimat' the other year.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

new yarkers, prepare..

http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/film_media/2007/Fassbinder.html

― poortheatre, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

ughhhh why couldn't this be like a month later

(i'm still going anyway)

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

Peer Raben dies:
http://daily.greencine.com/archives/003110.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius) on Monday, 22 January 2007 21:33 (1 month ago)

Oh man, I just discovered this, RIP "Willi". I hope Kurt Raab is still alive.

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_albums/9/4/0/d94153x470x.jpg

Want it!

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

on the Alexanderplatz Criterion box

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 22 June 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

How did we talk about movies before we had polls.

― Casuistry, Friday, 22 June 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

We groped and stumbled.

― baaderonixx, Monday, 25 June 2007 08:21 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I watched the Marriage of Maria Braun this week and really, really enjoyed it. There are an awful lot of European films like that that don't do anything for me, so I was really surprised. I also managed to correctly guess he was a Gemini just by watching this film. I love all the short twists and turns to it and you never know exactly what to expect. At first the baffling ending troubled me and I thought it ruined the whole rest of the movie until I rewound and watched it one more time and then I understood. A very complex film, I thought, and a masterpiece.

I watched Querelle a long, long time ago with a friend. I don't remember what I thought of it, really. But I remember it had that famous French woman in it...Moreau, that's it. I remember there being something kindof humorous about her in that.

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

berlin alexanderplatz coming out in nov.

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

(er, on dvd)

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Read a collection of essays, interviews, etc recently, greatly titled "Anarchy of the Imagination". There is a short story, of sorts - more like a film of his on 20 pages that kinda did my head in for the rest of the day hurrah.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 August 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

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He'd been wearing the white suit since 1970!

― Punk's not daft (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 08:56 (five years ago)

haha I know I know, he wears it in back to back films (American Soldier / Beware of a Holy Whore). Amazing he was able to keep it so clean in those 8 years. Then again, according to Kurt Raab, RWF "took more baths than the average German."

― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 19:59 (five years ago)

eight months pass...

With Ingrid Caven, 1974.

https://img.welt.de/img/icon/partnerschaft/mobile174506691/2972503117-ci102l-w1024/Conrad-JENNINGS-Rainer-Werner-FASSBINDER-und-Ingrid-CAVEN-1974.jpg

― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 15 November 2021 23:28 (four years ago)

Anyone have opinions on the new biopic?

― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 01:49 (four years ago)

Didn't know there was one.

― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 09:37 (four years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfant_Terrible_(film)?wprov=sfti1

It’s showing in DC soon but on a midweek

― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 14:20 (four years ago)

three months pass...

I saw this biopic last night. A lot of the anecdotes were familiar from the book Fassbinder Film Maker, by Ronald Hayman, which I read ages ago, and I've seen all the films they depicted. I thought the main actor was very skillful, capturing him at his kindest and cruelest, and the film captured the relationships among his troupe too. The visual style is expressionist, with lots of pools of blue and red light in the darkness, and no exterior scenes, but it nodded to Fassbinder's style without ever being cute or clever about it.
It's certainly better than Le Redoutable, the pointless Godard/Wiazemsky film that came out a few years ago, apparently the only biopic about a film director I've seen.

― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 21:31 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Finally watched Martha, a rather sour Sirk pastiche with hints of Gaslight.

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 09:50 (three years ago)

It’s awesome—Fassbinder called it a sadist and a masochist finding the ideal partner. Is it on DVD?

― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:12 (three years ago)

And of course there’s this dynamo of a shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiS2kJCLhgA

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:21 (three years ago)

Yes, I saw it on DVD.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:25 (three years ago)

It's on Criterion Channel too.

Id put it into the second-tier because the first half faffs around a bit.

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:31 (three years ago)

Gets more and more hysterical as it goes on.

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:33 (three years ago)

what kind of freak gets in the front seat of a taxi

― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:40 (three years ago)

It's not top-tier RWF, sure.

― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:41 (three years ago)

I don't know, it's pretty damn good!

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:42 (three years ago)

Exactly -- good not great!

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:54 (three years ago)

Good, not Querelle

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 May 2023 14:13 (three years ago)

a milkshake?

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 May 2023 14:14 (three years ago)

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