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I wasn't serious, just seems really weird timing to start defending him!

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

walk it back

dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

its not that fbs doesnt post terrible crap, just theres a lot of bad faith from ppl who appresh having such an easy outlet for cheap scorn

"appresh"

joepa mi pinga (am0n), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

That's probably some amount of true, but he could stop being that outlet anytime.

one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

appreesh is the correct spelling

dayo, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

and disappoint a lot of ppl xp

x-post - That's pretty much exactly what was bugging me.

I picked a really bad time to post this btw because I have 2 grant deadlines today but I just want to stress that I'm not disagreeing with the fact that FBS posts a lot of very questionable shit at all. It's just sort of weird how people seem to be going after every single thing he says lately. Not even talking about this thread specifically - just in general.

ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

Then again I don't read every single post the guy makes so i might be wrong. It's just the impression that I've gotten over the past couple weeks.

ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

That reporter did not come off badly in the slightest. If anything, I give him credit for not punching the mayor in the face on camera.

There is probably an argument about the reporter attempting to browbeat the mayor into his own point of view that could be made, but if the mayor had even an ounce of brains he could have said one of a bazillion things to defuse/de-escalate the situation, from saying "that was worded poorly" to "that joke didn't work" to not saying it in the first place.

An interesting info nugget that I didn't know:

Pedro Gutierrez, the owner of the Guti'z bakery, said the comment showed the mayor is out of touch because many Latinos in East Haven are from Ecuador, where tacos are not a part of cuisine, as they are in Mexico. But he said it also shows disrespect for all Hispanics.

So, not only was the comment flip and dismissive of a serious question, it also showed that the mayor doesn't know the demographics of his own city.

I am not inclined to give this fucker any ounce of leeway; the reporter could have shot him in the face on-camera and I would still side with the reporter.

FYI I kind of think anyone taking frog's "racist against whites" as a face-value earnest position needs to check themselves.

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

Uh, have you read his posts?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

Don't be an ass.

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

Racist against asses.

You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not trying to be an ass! There have been enough indications in his posts that he might actually think racism against whites is a real thing. At the very least he has a fundamental misunderstanding of racism and how it works.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, right here ON THIS THREAD I am calling out actual questionable stuff he's written; the "racist against whites" post follows a pretty well-established pattern by now where people will pre-emptively accuse him of something so he wades in with both feet in what reads to me as a very unambiguous "whatever, you don't know me" attitude.

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

frogbs is definitely not worth arguing with a poster I like over

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

ha agreed!

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

Many xps to someone: Italians didn't used to be white, at least not I the sense of being unmarked in US society. Neither the Irish and Jews, notably. Cf. "no Irish need apply" etc. All these groups eventually became unmarked/"white" as post-immigration generations assimilated, spoke English, etc etc, because you know they had white skin. There's a book I haven't read called "How Jews Became White Folks" that is about this.

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

I just refer to myself as Non-Hispanic these days.

pplains, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

(xp) America is weird

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

Irish not white? LOL now I've heard everything.

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

The Irish became white after they'd been out of Ireland long enough to stop being a pasty pale blue.

ERIC CANONTA FOR PRESIDETN! (onimo), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

part of frogsbs's charm is it's impossible to tell when he's kidding because it all is delivered the same

mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

Seems like white = Protestant?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

basically

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

There's a book I haven't read called "How Jews Became White Folks" that is about this.

great book. worth reading

Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

"white folks" is kind of a catch-all for a specific blending-in or lack of obvious ethnic difference from the mainstream, right?

mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

the journalist wasn't remotely being a dick, he was being a really good journalist, and i am stunned that in a universe where Fox News exists that this is confusing to anyone.

dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

when i said "can't wait to read the frogbs defense" i was being sarcastic. cause i knew there was a 100% chance he was going to go with "racist against white people."

there are some msg boards on the internet that i read where fbs would be the most liberal one there (sports boards ugh), it's just surprising to see it at ilx. and it's surprising to see someone post so often in the "is this racist" thread, p much responding to every single thing with ridiculousness and a small amount of racism. it's cheap, but look what thread this is.

anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power. in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us. and the twitter itself retweets mostly black people saying things written with AfAm dialect bits, most of which are obviously only there because he codes them as black and therefore stupid. the fact that he's a dick to some white people also doesn't mean that that racism isn't clear as day.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power. in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us. and the twitter itself retweets mostly black people saying things written with AfAm dialect bits, most of which are obviously only there because he codes them as black and therefore stupid. the fact that he's a dick to some white people also doesn't mean that that racism isn't clear as day.

hey man, I apologize, I didn't think you'd actually seriously reply to that!

i'm not even sure why you'd think anyone would have to defend a joke twitter account!

frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us.

Congratulations, you have made me think "I wish Momus was still here".

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

anyway frogbs, it is not possible for white people to be the victims of racism, because racism is systemic and requires power. in the arena of race, white people automatically have the privilege so it's not possible to exert racial power over us.

maybe totally off-topic here, but i'm not sure this is true. pretty much 100% of all claims of racism against white people in America is bogus subterfuge used to cover up actual systemic racism. at the same time, i'm pretty sure white people can be victims of racism

Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

nope. prejudice, discrimination, perhaps. most dictionaries don't agree, but dictionaries aren't perfect. racism is power + prejudice, and suggesting otherwise is derailing in conversations about actual racism. which is both personal AND systemic. white people will never be systemically victimized. it's important to make this distinction.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

So, just checking, it it racist to call you a ignorant Yank with no concept of difference between your country and others?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

restricting that generalization to America is probably wise (see my ranting upthread about Kazakhstan)

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

Or, in the interest of fairness, possibly some awareness of the difference, but no concept that it should stop you making grand pronouncements?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

is "yank" even a racially loaded word? you can call me a stupid cracker and it wouldn't be racist. my feelings might be a lil bit hurt but not because of racism, just cause you would be acting kind of a dick.

insert that louis ck bit about this. like, you can do a million little things against me that appear to be based off my race, but in the end of the day i will still have racial privilege and power.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

That's crazy.

beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

zach just took this thread in a weirder direction than even frogbs had. congratulations!

beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

GEORGE IS GETTING UPSET!! xxxp

future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

Or, in the interest of fairness, possibly some awareness of the difference, but no concept that it should stop you making grand pronouncements?

i don't think "can't be racist against whites" is a grand pronouncement, i think it's just true.

this whole thing comes out of "post-racial" thinking, which is all about ignoring the fact that different races are in different places in the power structure. and that white people are still at the top by a couple miles. there's nothing someone can do or say to me that would make me lose this power.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

I don't understand why people seem to be reacting like zach said something crazy. It makes sense to me?

one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

haha i'm sorry for regurgitating some words commonly spoken from pretty much every single anti-racist writer or thinker from the past forty years.

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Is racism really about power rather than hatred?

beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

yes

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

Laurel, he didn't say anything crazy at all.

ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

So like, a poor black person hates a poor latino person because they're latino and it's not racism becaues they're both poor?

beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

without a doubt

i mean most white people who say racist things deny the fact that they're racist because what they said wasn't hateful. pretty broad misunderstanding

zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link


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