― DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)
Ah, thanks. I swear I sat through the whole movie thinking "Where the HELL do I know her from?" English accent + clothing threw me, I guess.
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)
― DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 19 November 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)
I actually thought it was funny - at least for those of us stuck on "The Wire" - that this super-sophistimacated international terrorism ring actually has LESS savvy wrt communication hygeine than some West Bawlmer dope slangas.
― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)
― === temporary username === (Mark C), Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)
exotica bosom-babe galloping stiff-backed down the beach with little children giddily chasing behind was laugh-out-loud awesome
so much was great
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
It's from the book. Just saw it and have been avoiding the thread until now. Much said upthread I totally agree with but in sum -- Dalton was the best 'literary' Bond before now but Craig is up there and if the next film is in the same vein will cement it. Too long, totally agree with Ally/Tom that the googie-eyes bits killed the pacing for a bit (not helped by my wanting to hit the restroom BADLY by then), otherwise way the hell better than I expected, a great series reboot. My guess that this was their version of Batman Begins essentially OTM except that this was a better action film than that was.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)
Weakest 'action' part of the film because of gimmicks -- the cardiac arrest part. "Hey, it looks like he's going into cardiac arrest, he has this poison, he ate eggs for breakfast this morning and that mole on his back is flaking." Felt beamed in from another movie and especially jarring given how effective the overexposed bathroom scene right before it was. Necessary for the plot in the end but not in the way it was handled. Still, I'll give it a miss.
The "Military Intelligence" wallpaper made me roffle a bit. Who knew?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
The Harlequin Romance moment, yes. Or the Billy Ocean video moment if you like. Or Tina Turner.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)
As friend Ben said, 'lounge grunge' -- me in response: "Lunge?"
Definitely did like the way they introduced the 'view down a barrel of a gun' moment this time around -- first time ever they HAVEN'T done that. Also liked how the pre-credits adventure was turned into the post-credits one and given more room to go all over the place with in favor of the quick backstory setup.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)
in modern classified environments where everyone has an ESPN/Hotmail terminal next to their UMBRANET and FUBARNET and SUMBITCH.NAVMILK operator consoles, you actually have shit like this, arguably so that you don't accidentally relay the daily blackops anecdotes to yr coworkers via the wrong e-mail server.
― DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)
Most jarring moment -- a FORD? Thank god he traded up as quickly as possible.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)
it's such a great book!
Reading this through, I think they encapsulated that as well as they could in this plot.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)
Cardiac arrest thing jarred with me too, but then I realised it arguably makes more sense to have a basic albeit high-tech medical kit in your car as opposed to a super-high-tech device that only has one conceivable, and extremely unlikely use (which will pop up in ten minutes). The transmission thing was bollocks tho.
― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)
Yeah, that makes sense, I agree.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)
I admit when I saw David Arnold's name in the credits I winced.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)
James Bond: [to the camera] This never happened to the other fellow.
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)
More's the pity -- I didn't even realize that was Jeffrey Wright!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)
Mads Mikkelsen did pretty well as Le Chiffre precisely because of two factors in the script rather than his own pretty good performance: 1) no time wasted on his backstory, 2) carrying over from the book the fact that he's as much under severe pressure as 'in charge.'
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)
― DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)
I think the last time they did something even close to that was The Living Daylights. Actually there's a series of threads you can run through all the movies that purport to be taking Bond 'back to its roots' pretty clearly -- moral ambiguity, no clarity about who is on what side at many points, and an initial unsureness about what the villain exactly wants (though this can be the case in the canonical classics as well, with Goldfinger being a prime example; Bond only finds out what Goldfinger's exact plan is with about half an hour to go). On Her Majesty's Secret Service *kinda* aims for that mix but the Blofeld stuff gets in the way (I still love that it's Kojak leading SPECTRE), but For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights both went this route, as does this one.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)
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― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)
1. loved the main title sequence, song was...disposable.
Say, when was the last non-disposable title song? The one wot Jarvis sang?
2. pacing in the 3rd act was FUCT. way too many postcard shorts. half an hour too long, too much meta-discussion, didn't get to where we needed to go.
3. we never found out what happened to the blonde chick(Le Chiffre's moll). Normally, whatever arm candy the bond villain has is either converted to Bond's side or dies by the last reel.
4. bond chase scenes always tend to end with the death of whoever he's chasing.
5. Daniel Craig will be a great bond, especially if they keep giving him good scripts.
6. the married chick from the first act uses my old phone: a sony ericcson t637.
7. product placement has been a part of Bond since Goldfinger or before. this time i really noticed the logos popping up in prominent parts of the frame(virgin airlines, louis vuitton, etc).
8. the part i didn't like was where the bad guys from the last part showed up. this could have been handled far better.
9. the poker sequence went far better than i had ever expected. i retract my earlier horror.
10. Le Chiffre at the table looked like McGoohan. The part when the italian guy has to say "Look! It's the Tell!" made me want to scratch out my eyeballs.
11. i hope the next one has Q and Moneypenny, and they keep Felix Leiter.
12. bond villain = cool boat. i found myself being more impressed by the effort to include the cool boat than the cool boat itself.
13. i want one of those "Military Intelligence" backgrounds for my PC
14. the stunts were great, and of an even better level than most brosnan moves. the jumpy jumpy bombmaker reminded me of one of jackie chan's guys.
15. modern times = even the bond chicks have raccoon eyeshadow
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)
― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)
― I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)
I thought Craig was outstanding as Bond, a subtle, nuanced performance which touched at the inner turmoil of the character. Physically he was the part too, he's the only Bond who looks like he actually came from a military background.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)
the getting ready scene in the hotel bathroom, before the big game, may have been my favorite - vesper looking even more gorgeous without her makeup, preparing to fix her face in the mirror, and telling bond, via the mirror, after he's feigned dignified outrage that she's had the temerity to buy a dinner jacket FOR him - "there are dinner jackets and then there are dinner jackets - and this is the latter" and "i'd sized you up the moment i laid eyes on you" - phewEE! and capped with the luxuriously long take of bond trying it on, and looking at HIMself in the mirror, and loving what he sees (shades of the boy who did not come from money, learning how to "pass")
and the equally generous shot just after, of vesper looking at herself in the mirror with an unexplained weariness, trying to rise above her burgeoning interest in this thug, knowing more specifically than bond the way that it would all end badly
xpost: it is said that craig hit the gym for months for precisely that reason, that bond should look like he was fresh from his naval commander days
i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT although/because pointedly not, as has been mentioned in the classic bond villain mold: he is not humourless nor consumingly "evil", just a bad man in a bad world - his laughing-despite-himself in the torture scene, his reluctant admiration of bond's grit, was so fantastic
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)
It's a paraphrase from the book's final line, FWIW:
"Yes, dammit, I said 'was.' The bitch is dead now."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)
Well, I think he's unavoidably overshadowed by the focus on Craig's debut -- understandable for a lot of reasons (in comparison I think the villains in the next two will get greater attention by default). I'm not saying Mikkelsen did terribly; rather I think that the filmmakers had to make sure he ended up not rivalling Craig in terms of dominating the film, and the story and script helped there. He is exactly "just a bad man in a bad world" -- that's how the book had him and that's how the script carried him over, and the fact that Mikkelsen played him at that level is to his credit.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)
It was a bit jarring. Arguably though the whole idea of the exhibit was 'public' display, period. (I would have been much more surprised if there had been some sort of fight scene in there that involved knocking the figures down!)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
― DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)