New James Bond = Daniel Craig.

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1. Daniel Craig is the best bond since Connery, no surprises there.
2. Obv this Bond spent many years mastering the Sony-Ericcson user interface. There are more cell phones in this movie than there are guns. He should just turn around and txt msg the camera in the intro instead of shooting it. Where the antagonists used to run out of bullets, they now find themselves "Searching..."
3. I wonder how Mr. M deals with pretending he doesn't sleep three feet away from a pop-up computer terminal that gives you access to all of MI5's dirty secrets and requires no authentication
4. For about thirty minutes I thought Bond was going to start making friends with animals and open his own jetski rental shop or some such shit. ATTENTION 007, QUIT FAFFING ABOUT WITH ANGEL TITS AND SHOOT SOMEONE. PLEASE. GOD.
5. Music was crap. Not just the theme tune. John Barry's tremendous contribution to the sound of awesome shit happening does not need updating with half-assed breakbeats or whatever. It needs to be big bold diminished chord vamps even louder than the machineguns and anything else is a waste of everyone's time. There are some things that are not broken; stop fixing them for fuck's sake.
6. Beginning: construction site smashup. End: same thing. This is broken; fix THAT.
7. I love that when he gets in scraps he now has to actually wear bandages and keeps cuts on his face for more than one scene. This DEFINITELY works for Daniel Craig, too, since he kind of looks like he's gotten in a fistfight every day since he was eleven anyway.
8. I know that Bond is a sociopathic narcissist. It is completely unnecessary to have he and his female companion discuss this fact. This is the 21st official Bond film; it's all well and good to fill out the backstory on this violent too-cool-for-the-room douchebag, but talking about how egocentric and reckless he is like, I don't know, those echo chamber threads where everybody's in a race to tell the world that war is bad.
9. I did like the backstory of Bond being a scholarship kid at Oxford and developing his utter contempt for rich fuckbags as a result. It was like when Ridley Scott finally just told the world that Deckard was a replicant.
10. Borat should be the next villain.

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

hot naked girl from "The Dreamers"

Ah, thanks. I swear I sat through the whole movie thinking "Where the HELL do I know her from?" English accent + clothing threw me, I guess.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 19 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

10. [edit] Borat should be the head of SMERSH. Kind of like how in Unbreakable, where Bruce Willis + Samuel Jackson are complete polar opposites, destined to cancel each other out, Borat is the hirsute uberincompetent foil in a monstrous neon man-thong to 007's smooth player in navy speedo.

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

The romantic interlude was kind of to the end-of-Return-of-the-King-hobbits-faffing level of DO NOT WANT, I was incredibly glad when that ended. Was it really necessary to have 30 minutes (?? at least?) of that? Other than that I have no complaints.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Sunday, 19 November 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

is nobody going to talk about TESTICLE CONKERS!?!?!?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 19 November 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

> 2. Obv this Bond spent many years mastering the Sony-Ericcson user interface. There are more cell phones in this movie than there are guns. He should just turn around and txt msg the camera in the intro instead of shooting it. Where the antagonists used to run out of bullets, they now find themselves "Searching..."

I actually thought it was funny - at least for those of us stuck on "The Wire" - that this super-sophistimacated international terrorism ring actually has LESS savvy wrt communication hygeine than some West Bawlmer dope slangas.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

The reason hold'em is a better game for the film than baccarat is that poker is a game of skil (with a large element of fortune) and baccarat is a game of pure luck. I haven't seen it yet (Richmond Odeon, 2.50 this afternoon, woo!) so I don't know if skill comes into it but the reasoning's sound.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Sunday, 19 November 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

which scene do they play "The Look of Love" in?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 November 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

it was considerate of bond not to close the lid of M's laptop completely and stop all her torrents.

exotica bosom-babe galloping stiff-backed down the beach with little children giddily chasing behind was laugh-out-loud awesome

so much was great

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

can't wait to see this.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Undoubtedly better than the last three, but I don't know if it was any better than Goldeneye (which, satellite laser aside, was no more gimmicky than this one). Definitely pales in comparison to the Bourne films.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

And the odd structure worked too.

It's from the book. Just saw it and have been avoiding the thread until now. Much said upthread I totally agree with but in sum -- Dalton was the best 'literary' Bond before now but Craig is up there and if the next film is in the same vein will cement it. Too long, totally agree with Ally/Tom that the googie-eyes bits killed the pacing for a bit (not helped by my wanting to hit the restroom BADLY by then), otherwise way the hell better than I expected, a great series reboot. My guess that this was their version of Batman Begins essentially OTM except that this was a better action film than that was.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

no more gimmicky than this one

Weakest 'action' part of the film because of gimmicks -- the cardiac arrest part. "Hey, it looks like he's going into cardiac arrest, he has this poison, he ate eggs for breakfast this morning and that mole on his back is flaking." Felt beamed in from another movie and especially jarring given how effective the overexposed bathroom scene right before it was. Necessary for the plot in the end but not in the way it was handled. Still, I'll give it a miss.

The "Military Intelligence" wallpaper made me roffle a bit. Who knew?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

exotica bosom-babe galloping stiff-backed down the beach with little children giddily chasing behind was laugh-out-loud awesome

The Harlequin Romance moment, yes. Or the Billy Ocean video moment if you like. Or Tina Turner.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

The opening title graphics. Cool enough to offset the anonymous Chris Cornell song.

As friend Ben said, 'lounge grunge' -- me in response: "Lunge?"

Definitely did like the way they introduced the 'view down a barrel of a gun' moment this time around -- first time ever they HAVEN'T done that. Also liked how the pre-credits adventure was turned into the post-credits one and given more room to go all over the place with in favor of the quick backstory setup.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

HAVEN'T done that = haven't done that as the opening frames. It was actually kind of surprising not to hear *the* theme in full until the very end credits, but it suits the final line.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

The "Military Intelligence" wallpaper made me roffle a bit. Who knew?

in modern classified environments where everyone has an ESPN/Hotmail terminal next to their UMBRANET and FUBARNET and SUMBITCH.NAVMILK operator consoles, you actually have shit like this, arguably so that you don't accidentally relay the daily blackops anecdotes to yr coworkers via the wrong e-mail server.

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

You know, you put it that way and now I'm not surprised at all.

Most jarring moment -- a FORD? Thank god he traded up as quickly as possible.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

by the end he is angry and worldsick and vengeful and humiliated and -- i think -- thrown back into cynical commitment once more (ie the joke HERE is that what catapults him back into being the old full-on anti-SMERSH bond is, again see above, the heartbreaking honour of one SMERSH agent and the casual lifesaving decency of another)

it's such a great book!

Reading this through, I think they encapsulated that as well as they could in this plot.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I think a many of my quibbles -- the Ford, the love story -- are down to the dissonance between Bond-movie-expectations and it being a reboot. If you grant that he's still naive and falling in love, driving a crap car etc it works a bit better.

Cardiac arrest thing jarred with me too, but then I realised it arguably makes more sense to have a basic albeit high-tech medical kit in your car as opposed to a super-high-tech device that only has one conceivable, and extremely unlikely use (which will pop up in ten minutes). The transmission thing was bollocks tho.

stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

That Ford was pretty hot (for a Ford). Hope they bring it to the states.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

I realised it arguably makes more sense to have a basic albeit high-tech medical kit in your car

Yeah, that makes sense, I agree.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, if you wanted to have real fun with continuity/lack thereof, an easy answer for the purposes of the films: 'James Bond' is always a pseudonym as much as 007; Craig is a relatively newly promoted agent who gets the Bond/007 identity as part of his line of work; we're not stepping back in the current M/Bond timeline so much as creating a new one with a newly attendant dynamic. I refuse to think seriously about this any further lest I end up writing fanfic or worse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

John Barry's tremendous contribution to the sound of awesome shit happening does not need updating with half-assed breakbeats or whatever.

I admit when I saw David Arnold's name in the credits I winced.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

'James Bond' is always a pseudonym as much as 007; Craig is a relatively newly promoted agent who gets the Bond/007 identity as part of his line of work;

James Bond: [to the camera] This never happened to the other fellow.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahah. George's prime moment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, Felix Leiter is *still* the Outclassed CIA Guy.

More's the pity -- I didn't even realize that was Jeffrey Wright!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that guy is a chameleon. I've only seen a few of those, but Basquiat -->Belize-->Felix Leiter is a pretty damn good range. I've also seen Celebrity but don't remember his character.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

The more I look over the IMDB list the more I'm impressed with the range of actors they got in, even if the roles were at points thankless. Giancarlo Giannini as Mathis, Isaach de Bankole is Obanno (the African armed group leader), Jesper Christensen as Mr. White...not quite the ensemble group dynamic of From Russia With Love but still.

Mads Mikkelsen did pretty well as Le Chiffre precisely because of two factors in the script rather than his own pretty good performance: 1) no time wasted on his backstory, 2) carrying over from the book the fact that he's as much under severe pressure as 'in charge.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

I loved how fast his expression changed at the end of the torture scene when dude walked in with the gun.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

(by the way does anybody know enuf about sfx in modern films to offer some kind of explanation as to HOW IN THE HELL they got his eye to leak red Karo?)

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Bond actually has to work without having the entire plot of the movie (An evil villian has Something Bad and wants money, power, etc.) delivered to him at the office.

I think the last time they did something even close to that was The Living Daylights. Actually there's a series of threads you can run through all the movies that purport to be taking Bond 'back to its roots' pretty clearly -- moral ambiguity, no clarity about who is on what side at many points, and an initial unsureness about what the villain exactly wants (though this can be the case in the canonical classics as well, with Goldfinger being a prime example; Bond only finds out what Goldfinger's exact plan is with about half an hour to go). On Her Majesty's Secret Service *kinda* aims for that mix but the Blofeld stuff gets in the way (I still love that it's Kojak leading SPECTRE), but For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights both went this route, as does this one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've only seen a few of those, but Basquiat -->Belize-->Felix Leiter is a pretty damn good range.
I was about to correct you on Basquiat, until I looked at IMDB and GIS to double-check and THE LAWYER FROM SYRIANA WAS BASQUIAT? Yer shittin me!

milo z (mlp), Monday, 20 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

> (by the way does anybody know enuf about sfx in modern films to offer some kind of explanation as to HOW IN THE HELL they got his eye to leak red Karo?)

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

saw this tonight. tom is correct w/ most assessments.

1. loved the main title sequence, song was...disposable.

Say, when was the last non-disposable title song? The one wot Jarvis sang?

2. pacing in the 3rd act was FUCT. way too many postcard shorts. half an hour too long, too much meta-discussion, didn't get to where we needed to go.

3. we never found out what happened to the blonde chick(Le Chiffre's moll). Normally, whatever arm candy the bond villain has is either converted to Bond's side or dies by the last reel.

4. bond chase scenes always tend to end with the death of whoever he's chasing.

5. Daniel Craig will be a great bond, especially if they keep giving him good scripts.

6. the married chick from the first act uses my old phone: a sony ericcson t637.

7. product placement has been a part of Bond since Goldfinger or before. this time i really noticed the logos popping up in prominent parts of the frame(virgin airlines, louis vuitton, etc).

8. the part i didn't like was where the bad guys from the last part showed up. this could have been handled far better.

9. the poker sequence went far better than i had ever expected. i retract my earlier horror.

10. Le Chiffre at the table looked like McGoohan. The part when the italian guy has to say "Look! It's the Tell!" made me want to scratch out my eyeballs.

11. i hope the next one has Q and Moneypenny, and they keep Felix Leiter.

12. bond villain = cool boat. i found myself being more impressed by the effort to include the cool boat than the cool boat itself.

13. i want one of those "Military Intelligence" backgrounds for my PC

14. the stunts were great, and of an even better level than most brosnan moves. the jumpy jumpy bombmaker reminded me of one of jackie chan's guys.

15. modern times = even the bond chicks have raccoon eyeshadow

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

Bomb-maker dude was Sebastien Foucan, who was one of the guys who started the whole parkour / free running sport. And yeah, it was a great action sequence.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

16. i'm not nearly drunk enough

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

*GREAT* and very satisfying movie, but the retro-1997 Flash-player required title sequence was truly awful (even worse than the song) and, as I said before, Craig still looks like an ugly thug, but that's exactly what the movie was trying to say about the character I suppose (Clive Owen would have been even better). I think the NY Times said (in a fairly glowing review) something along the lines of, every age gets the Bond it deserves. Of course it's not just Craig's face, "The job is done and the bitch is dead" would sound merely humorously anachronistic if Connery was saying it in 'Goldfinger', but the line said in spyworld 2006 revels in Bond's ugly brutality.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

The discussion boards on IMDB have to be read to be believed, makes ILX seem like an oasis of peace and quiet.

I thought Craig was outstanding as Bond, a subtle, nuanced performance which touched at the inner turmoil of the character. Physically he was the part too, he's the only Bond who looks like he actually came from a military background.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

well i woke up thinkin about this movie (OK, i woke up thinkin about vesper)

the getting ready scene in the hotel bathroom, before the big game, may have been my favorite - vesper looking even more gorgeous without her makeup, preparing to fix her face in the mirror, and telling bond, via the mirror, after he's feigned dignified outrage that she's had the temerity to buy a dinner jacket FOR him - "there are dinner jackets and then there are dinner jackets - and this is the latter" and "i'd sized you up the moment i laid eyes on you" - phewEE! and capped with the luxuriously long take of bond trying it on, and looking at HIMself in the mirror, and loving what he sees (shades of the boy who did not come from money, learning how to "pass")

and the equally generous shot just after, of vesper looking at herself in the mirror with an unexplained weariness, trying to rise above her burgeoning interest in this thug, knowing more specifically than bond the way that it would all end badly

xpost: it is said that craig hit the gym for months for precisely that reason, that bond should look like he was fresh from his naval commander days

i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT although/because pointedly not, as has been mentioned in the classic bond villain mold: he is not humourless nor consumingly "evil", just a bad man in a bad world - his laughing-despite-himself in the torture scene, his reluctant admiration of bond's grit, was so fantastic

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha oh, also: vesper is a total GOTH HOTTIE!!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition? Sure they real actual dead bodies signed on to being displayed for the good of science. Not to be in a Bond as a pritty backdrop.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 20 November 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

the guy was a terrible dresser and mean to caterina murino = he deserved to die.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

"The job is done and the bitch is dead" would sound merely humorously anachronistic if Connery was saying it in 'Goldfinger', but the line said in spyworld 2006 revels in Bond's ugly brutality.

It's a paraphrase from the book's final line, FWIW:

"Yes, dammit, I said 'was.' The bitch is dead now."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh Pete - i didn't understand!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm disappointed in ned's tepid reaction to the baddie, i thought he was EXCELLENT

Well, I think he's unavoidably overshadowed by the focus on Craig's debut -- understandable for a lot of reasons (in comparison I think the villains in the next two will get greater attention by default). I'm not saying Mikkelsen did terribly; rather I think that the filmmakers had to make sure he ended up not rivalling Craig in terms of dominating the film, and the story and script helped there. He is exactly "just a bad man in a bad world" -- that's how the book had him and that's how the script carried him over, and the fact that Mikkelsen played him at that level is to his credit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else a little bit uncomfortable that there was a gratuitous murder in the Bodyworlds Exhibition?

It was a bit jarring. Arguably though the whole idea of the exhibit was 'public' display, period. (I would have been much more surprised if there had been some sort of fight scene in there that involved knocking the figures down!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Who was the guy playing the chap who was trying to blow up the plane? I can't remember a character name to IMDB it.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Claudio Santamaria

DOCTOR METH KING (TOMBOT), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

thanks. looking him up there's only Besieged that I could remember him from. weird.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)


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