ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

actually the only thing that could make me more irritable would be if the 80 minutes spent parsing what was happening was just a red herring because then what the fuck is the point at all

and the presence of the language expert just makes this all the more irritating! it's like the film introduces a character that should explain stuff and then he doesn't, rendering the character's appearance fairly pointless.

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i do have a proposal that would bring unity back to this thread but it would require you all to watch Red State and that is a bridge too far imo

xpost The movie does not end with them babbling! The movie ends with them in a highly stylized bar, in black and white, continuing the surreal streak.

and the presence of the language expert just makes this all the more irritating! it's like the film introduces a character that should explain stuff and then he doesn't, rendering the character's appearance fairly pointless.

Exactly! It's hilarious. At one point the language expert is literally tossing back popcorn, fascinated, while everyone argues!

Once again, I bring up Ionesco. Particularly "Rhinocerus,"

oh see i was giving the movie credit by ignoring the weird natural born killers second ending as something stupid the producers forced them to tack on

xpost only spelled correctly, sorry

There's an alternate ending?

I must have fast-forwarded through and/or completely forgotten this "second ending"

its a post credit or partial credit ending

yeah I missed that

One online take:

"Grant's final speech creates a new reality into which they escape from the bombing - 'a new place, that isn't even there yet'. As he talks, he continues to bring it into existence - the colour saturates. The doctor sets this up earlier in the film when he says the disease could result in reality itself changing. 'The word is the world.'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfNYh4OfE_I

Fuck! Me and the people I watched it with shut it off during the credits. Not reading Josh's last post! Watching the end on NF tonight!

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geez that almost makes the movie worse imho

oh you sound so excited and you are going to be so bummed out xpost

Hrmph. Josh-- am i better off not watching the easter egg ending?

Pontypool is based on Tony Burgess' novel Pontypool Changes Everything. Burgess adapted the material for the screen himself. According to McDonald, the writer hashed out a script in 48 hours.

gee i would never have guessed

ok sorry i am starting to be a dick about this and i will quit it.

xpost It doesn't make much of diff., to be honest. Just saying it underscores that there's more going on here than the central "what is going on?" mystery. Like, if you hate the film, it doesn't make it better. If you liked the film, you might like it less. If you thought it was a really fascinating, intelligent, surreal horror metaphor for all sorts of things, like me, then it helps make it great.

It's cool to be a dick about this, btw! The movie is def. divisive.

It's cool to be a dick about this, btw!

new borad descrption

frankly even if I thought the movie didn't effectively evoke any number of themes (which I think it does), it would mostly get by on McHattie's voice.

Hah I def. did not know about the second ending either! Now I have to watch this again or at least the last third...

Well - umm spoilers - there's the first movie, where the girl escapes and they try to figure out what happened to her. Then there's the other movie about the girl being haunted/attacked by her demonic alter ego. And then there's the third movie, where the other girl is being tortured as part of some vague theological experiment. None are satisfying beyond the most, yes, facile dorm room parsing. Seemed totally padded out to fill a feature-length run time, which is how I feel about most torture porn - pretentious, silly or both.

the only part that actually felt separate from the main arc of the story is the tacked on ending, which really did a disservice to the whole thing by trying to give some pretentious explanation. but the rest of your commentary just tells me that we have vastly different expectations of horror films, nothing really to argue about there.

loved the ending of martyrs, loved everything about it. pontypool's good too. feel like there was a good run of horror movies at the end of the decade, but things have petered out, especially if we're still arguing about martyrs and pontypool.

Well, I will say in both those cases there's at least a little bit to chew on, like them or not. Since then it's been pretty much all ghost stories and vampires.

anyone but me see The Woman?

so pontypool is about words acting as a virus because why? who knows? and then 90 minutes of movie happens and we learn nothing at all. its an empty movie wrapped up in an attempt to look smart while saying and signifying nothing at all.

― blurgh (jjjusten), Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:21 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it's obviously open to interpretation, but i think pontypool is about the relationship of language to violence. the disease it examines is not an absurd linguistic virus, but rather the human propensity for inciting warlike, tribal conflict. the film literalizes the ability of spoken words to create realities in which collective violence becomes possible. the protagonist's big rant at the end makes this point very clear: wars are conjured by what we tell each other and by what we choose to make of what we're told. it's no coincidence that the main characters are newscasters, keepers, creators and narrators of the collective social truth.

treating warlike thought as a communicable disease and locating its outbreak in a small, seemingly insignificant town highlights its sickening, pointless absurdity. pontypool transforms the "ordinary" cinematic spectacle of war into something not-normal, something ridiculous, horrible and profoundly alien. the words and ideas that enable violence become the monster, the invader, the thing from out there that threatens the in here. this interpretation helps make sense of the WWII=related words and phrases the zombies often repeat ("u-boat", etc).

the only scene in the movie that breaks the characters-on-a-stage framing is a long, dispassionate rundown of victims and assailants. it's a twilight zone inversion of something we're all familiar with: the solemn recitation of the names of the heroic fallen as presented on the nightly news. but where the sense-making agenda of a newscast makes such accountings seem somehow reasonable, pontypool insists on the tragic, pointless stupidity of loss. what is war, after all, but a cancer of the collective mind?

^ probably should have read that one over first

I like what you wrote right there. What scared me about Pontypool was the doubt the characters felt, unsure if they were insane or not. And if even trying to stop whatever 'it' is will also be going insane.

Insanity in horror terrifies me when it's done well, not the over-abused main character is actually insane and killed them. But when insanity is more like a contagious germ, that's what scared me about pontypool.

Y'all keep neglecting to mention that Pontypool is also frequently hilarious, on purpose.

But, yeah, the contagious insanity aspect works so well because the acting in this movie is awesome and convincing, even while dancing around such stylized, deliberate, Mamet-precise dialog.

i assumed the virus in pontypool was intended as a means of genocide against english-speaking, i mean, they even literally used the word genocide to describe what was happening, and not some random happenstance.

english-speaking canadians doh

oh! i watched frozen last week...it was a very good idea, but i think if you're going to build a movie's tension around the survival of three characters stuck on a ski-lift, you need to not spend the first 10 minutes making the audience hate them for being fratty douchebags.

so i finally got around to watching quarantine 2 and although it is not nearly as bad as i expected, that doesnt mean that it isnt total crap. pretty much confirms my idea that balaguero (bet i spelled that wrong) had one good script and one bad one, kept the good one for rec 2 and cashed in on the reject by selling it to the idiots who made Q2

watched Atrocious yesterday (not an auspicious name for a movie but eh spanish dudes so who knows) and it was ok? mainly because it was short, but pretty well acted - be warned, yep, its yet another of the 10 bagazillion shakeycam horrors out there, but the pacing was kinda well done and it didnt overstay its welcome at 70 minutes or so. you could def do much much worse on streaming netflix, but thats not exactly a ringing endorsement, so

My last street-team on this topic, I swear. Absentia is available through a shit-ton of cable providers as well as through iTunes and a couple of other places. I don't watch a shit-ton of horror movies, but I don't scare easily. For whatever reason, maybe because it was good, this one did it for me. Spent a few minutes just grabbing my wife's arm muttering "Fffffuuuuuuuuuck".

Absentia is good, yeah. Optimal use of an insanely meagre budget. Surprised there aren't way more horror flicks themed around missing persons.

huh i dont know that one at all, will try to track it down.

btw as a long time supporter of the hostel movies (2 esp) i just saw the trailer for direct to video hostel 3 and hoo boy i can not imagine how fucking pissed eli roth must be about that thing.

Absentia scared both T and I!

I tried to watch "Tokyo Gore Police," which isn't really horror, I guess, but does feature some horrific low-budget effects. I admire its moxie, but was mostly bored, even as giant mutant phalli were firing bullets and a woman's torso turned into alligator jaws, after she had bitten off a dude's manhood.

ugh, I hate that guy's stuff.

Nishimura, that is.

Yeah, I hate that stuff too

you know why I generally hate horror films? bcz ppl judge them by how SCARY they are. What the fuck is entertaining about being scared? Same thing with motherfucking rollercoasters. Worst shit in the world. I don't want to be scared once the rest of my motherfucking life, I'll sign up for that ahead of having one good orgasm.

THIS IS SINCERE

understand why people don't like nishimura, but i did enjoy tokyo gore police. cheap, inventive, fun, funny. wasn't bored for a minute, but mileage clearly varies.