I'd like to use Linux but...

We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”.
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:08 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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"its like, what if you could just tell the computer what you're thinking......and it knows man"

Mac users are probably the easiest to inflict change upon, and *nix users are probably the whiniest. Ubuntu users would be the most open of the *nix user spectrum, though that's not saying much. Intenterface is the worst name I have ever heard btw (and iOS autocorrects it to 'intent efface').

that is exactly backwards dude

Mac users have so much faith in the church that in most cases they hump every change like a dog, whereas *nix users (correctly imo) want every function in history to be available to them forever

if by *nix you mean linux then i cannot think of a group of users who care or think less about user interface. and i don't mean that in a "lol linux is ugly" way. i mean it seriously. i mean "flexibility"/"power" is, by a very long way, the most important thing to them. changes to the gui have pretty much no impact on what they mean by flexibility and power.

damn good point

um i don't know if you're paying attention but we're not talking about a user INTERFACE

there are 30 page philosophical screeds on ui paradigms and the history of beos disguised as os reviews every time a new version of os x comes out. daring fireball got where it is today by being a pedant about ui. and he's read by regular os x users. i doubt anyone reads the discussion of linux ui revisions except the developers writing about it on their own mailing list.

not defending either approach btw

So really, when Linux has problems like this (which is increasingly rare, as you say) it's like giving away organic milk which you claim will work in cars whose manufacturers support it, and then blaming the manufacturer for not publishing the specifications of their engine when it doesn't work. The fact is, it doesn't work. Who gives a shit why apart from the dairy farmer?

― caek, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:41 (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have read this post many times today and still have absolutely no idea what i was talking about.

that post is awesome

I have absolutely no idea what the default GUI will look like on any Linux distribution since I haven't regularly used one for years, but last I checked nearly all defaults look like some variation of the system task bar/start menu/docked status icons popularized by Windows 95. They may also have some sort of multi-desktop pager widget. With these expectations, I haven't been too surprised.

OS X has the most GUI complainers, by far, although it's diminished a lot in the last few years. The biggest complaints have been the change from Spaces to the current sliding-between-desktops (and apps) thing they've got going now. To be honest, the other biggest complaint has been that the default folder and disk icons are monochrome, which... sheesh, whatever.

well, there's the "The Finder" complaint

True, that.

btw this HUD thing is dumb when used as they said, because it's not solving the problem it's identifying -- unintuitive menu organization and structure. It's just replacing it with a free-form "type what you want to do".

Now, interfaces where there's a strong language behind it that later added visual tools, like mathematica? That's a different ballgame.

...to use linux but the mix of HPUX and Solaris elements confuses the shit out of me.

Do you mean SYS V-style versus BSD-style?

LVM and df -k together! I'm only getting used to storage operations on our hpux and solaris servers and now they get in some linuxes... *shivers*

there's also the "skeuomorph is bullshit" complaint. I can't loathe iCal enough now

ok I blocked that one out because it's a non-trivial complaint and makes me kill people. I mean, want to kill people.

I can only assume someone's going to build an app that uses all the APIs from iCal only works better and I'll never have to use it now.

tbf I use Sparrow almost exclusively for email now

the biggest threat to windows is, well windows, but also people using phones for what they used to use computers for

is there a hanleypedia entry on this?

I tihnk I was fired from being the admin - I cant even lead my own wiki :(

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sad crowd

Ubuntu 12 = Quantal Quetzal" - I would have preferred Queer Queen

i bought a new laptop with windows 7 on it and i haven't uninstalled it yet :-/

linux user lost

You're probably better off with Windows 7

's not bad

if you build a computer and install some form of linux on it is it possible to run osx apps on it? what about windows apps? is it a hassle or is it relatively straightforward.

wine on linux is very good at running some windows apps, particularly some old ones you can't run on windows anymore.
almost everything on linux is a hassle, but it's "good" for you in that it makes you smarter, while every hassle on windows makes you dumber? some rationalization like that.

will windows8 be the next cataclysm that makes linux users out of a generation?

on a personal level i feel like rebelling against apple, their product lines and software have been moving in a direction i don't like for awhile now - dumbing down, lots of surface-level improvements w/o a lot of substance, endless integration w/ web stuff i don't use like fb and twitter, etc etc etc

based on googling looks like the answer is no re: osx apps but all of the sources i found are a few years old

the only thing I really wish for Apple stuff is that the frameworks they have that let you get at calendar, contact, and music databases recognize the possibility that your primary apps may not be the built in ones. I can understand them being squeamish about allowing alternative primary calendar and email apps on the iphone, but it'd be nice! Even more so on the desktop since iCal has switched from being minimal and a little feature-needy to being kind of dumb and only slightly feature-enhanced. The backend is nice, though!

not really linux-specific, but you could run osx under a virtual machine instance in order to use the apps. a lot of 3rd party osx apps have linux ports though.

just use OS X and use a virtual instance of linux imo

endless integration w/ web stuff i don't use like fb and twitter, etc etc etc

? this is not a thing

maybe that is just my perception based on the direction of third-party osx apps and especially ios apps than the actual os itself

speaking of third-party apps i tried to use sparrow as my primary email on iphone and i must admit it kinda sucks compared to apple mail

ubuntu also pushes the social media integration angle

ubuntuna

ubuntu also pushes the social media integration angle

― badg, Friday, April 27, 2012 12:54 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i thought i would love this but as it turns out i hated it

otm

? this is not a thing

http://i.imgur.com/goi2m.png

ok but lol you use safari

didn't the ubuntu guy say he thought the future of linux was tablets/touch hence the push for these stupid new user interfaces that slow everything down? i fundamentally disagree with him really. h8 touchscreen so much - they slow down everything.

windows 7 is good yeah but i want to go back to linux soon.

desktop pc's themselves are for grahpic designers and radiologists and such - u can ILE on your tabby while you shatty on your enemy. ease of portability is pc on da potty. S Jobbs induringlegacy

very deep bow

ladies and gentlemen, Latham Green

lmao

ok but lol you use safari

i use chrome!!!

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