I'd like to use Linux but...

ok real time command line gave me nerdbonerz

i used to use gnome-do a lot and have been jonesing for something like it for windows for years--nothing nearly as robust outside linux. this looks like a sleeker version of that, so i'm p much automatically in love.

Is that the new HUD? Also love it. But is there a way to show all an apps menus?

command line 2.0 interaction is not exactly going to set the mass market on fire

Yeh, this tempts me out of using Windows how?

(saying that, I might try re-installing ubuntu. Last time I tried it wouldn't play nice with my monitors, but we'll see)

I don't think Ubuntu is about tempting Windows users anymore. Shuttleworth has bigger pans.

srsly. they should forget about the mass market, and work on making an environment for nerds that isn't still founded on the idea that you're essentially interacting with a dot-matrix printer.

is not command line, it's just letting you type app names / menu items rather than clicking icons. nobody's going to be piping any grep output to sort using this.

and all this hands to mouse to keyboard and back to mouse would drive me batshit.

gentoo here i come...

obviously things like this are great for some computer users (prob less than 0.1% these days), incl me.

but if i'm typing nouns and verbs to interact with a computer then to say it's not qualitatively similar to the command line is delusional. and for commercial entities like ubuntu to not make the next logical leap re: how this is going to go over in the market... smdh.

looks cool though

and all this hands to mouse to keyboard and back to mouse would drive me batshit.

If they do it right, that shouldn't happen. You can almost drive firefox entirely from the keyboard already (especially with LoL installed); this would make that complete. GUI shouldn't preclude good keyboard-driving.

I don't see this setting the world on fire but I still love the idea. Navigating application menus would be exactly 200 times easier if you could just type what you want to do.

otm

i hope it's clever enough for that and it's just word-matching. Mac OS X already has this with Cmd-? (which is v. useful)

*not just

> You can almost drive firefox entirely from the keyboard already

but the example in the video was inkscape...

I don't know inkscape in particular, but if you're using Photoshop without one hand on the keyboard you're doing it wrong. Menus like this would be a big time saver there.

> if you're using Photoshop without one hand on the keyboard you're doing it wrong

but that's just keyboard shortcuts, this is typing words, which is different. and if you're typing with only one hand you're doing it wrong (or at least inefficiently)

it's more the forcing their millions of users to change how they do things, proclaiming that this is an improvement that we must* all use (see also unity), making everybody's current working practices redundant, throwing away accumulated knowledge of how to do stuff. that's what annoys me and why i'm staying on the last LTS for as long as i can. if they were starting from scratch, then yes, let them do what they wants. people will use it if they like it. but don't dictate.

* ok, there may be a choice with this, but there was no choice with the unity / gnome3 switch. or kde4 for that matter.

(arguing over guis is the new vi vs emacs)

Yeah, it does seem like they're forcing these changes on users in ways that not even Apple does.

i don't suppose anyone here is an NFS expert by any chance?

i love how completely stoned the last few big ubuntu ideas have been

We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”.

not very keen. it's much more effort to think of the right word for what I want to do, than just to read it off a list. that's unless it can understand thingy and wotsit in context.

that's another good point. that said, i was trying to get open office to not number the heading line on a spreadsheet yesterday and none of the menu items sounded like they'd do it. ended up adding another column and putting my own number in it.

post just now on slashdot about cinnamon, which looks to be mint making gnome3 work like gnome2 (actually, i'm not entirely sure what it is because the project's front page is all taken from the wikipedia page for the spice http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=1 )

We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”.
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:08 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

"its like, what if you could just tell the computer what you're thinking......and it knows man"

Mac users are probably the easiest to inflict change upon, and *nix users are probably the whiniest. Ubuntu users would be the most open of the *nix user spectrum, though that's not saying much. Intenterface is the worst name I have ever heard btw (and iOS autocorrects it to 'intent efface').

that is exactly backwards dude

Mac users have so much faith in the church that in most cases they hump every change like a dog, whereas *nix users (correctly imo) want every function in history to be available to them forever

if by *nix you mean linux then i cannot think of a group of users who care or think less about user interface. and i don't mean that in a "lol linux is ugly" way. i mean it seriously. i mean "flexibility"/"power" is, by a very long way, the most important thing to them. changes to the gui have pretty much no impact on what they mean by flexibility and power.

damn good point

um i don't know if you're paying attention but we're not talking about a user INTERFACE

there are 30 page philosophical screeds on ui paradigms and the history of beos disguised as os reviews every time a new version of os x comes out. daring fireball got where it is today by being a pedant about ui. and he's read by regular os x users. i doubt anyone reads the discussion of linux ui revisions except the developers writing about it on their own mailing list.

not defending either approach btw

So really, when Linux has problems like this (which is increasingly rare, as you say) it's like giving away organic milk which you claim will work in cars whose manufacturers support it, and then blaming the manufacturer for not publishing the specifications of their engine when it doesn't work. The fact is, it doesn't work. Who gives a shit why apart from the dairy farmer?

― caek, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:41 (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i have read this post many times today and still have absolutely no idea what i was talking about.

that post is awesome

I have absolutely no idea what the default GUI will look like on any Linux distribution since I haven't regularly used one for years, but last I checked nearly all defaults look like some variation of the system task bar/start menu/docked status icons popularized by Windows 95. They may also have some sort of multi-desktop pager widget. With these expectations, I haven't been too surprised.

OS X has the most GUI complainers, by far, although it's diminished a lot in the last few years. The biggest complaints have been the change from Spaces to the current sliding-between-desktops (and apps) thing they've got going now. To be honest, the other biggest complaint has been that the default folder and disk icons are monochrome, which... sheesh, whatever.

well, there's the "The Finder" complaint

True, that.

btw this HUD thing is dumb when used as they said, because it's not solving the problem it's identifying -- unintuitive menu organization and structure. It's just replacing it with a free-form "type what you want to do".

Now, interfaces where there's a strong language behind it that later added visual tools, like mathematica? That's a different ballgame.

...to use linux but the mix of HPUX and Solaris elements confuses the shit out of me.

Do you mean SYS V-style versus BSD-style?

LVM and df -k together! I'm only getting used to storage operations on our hpux and solaris servers and now they get in some linuxes... *shivers*

there's also the "skeuomorph is bullshit" complaint. I can't loathe iCal enough now

ok I blocked that one out because it's a non-trivial complaint and makes me kill people. I mean, want to kill people.

I can only assume someone's going to build an app that uses all the APIs from iCal only works better and I'll never have to use it now.

tbf I use Sparrow almost exclusively for email now

the biggest threat to windows is, well windows, but also people using phones for what they used to use computers for

is there a hanleypedia entry on this?

I tihnk I was fired from being the admin - I cant even lead my own wiki :(

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sad crowd