2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

dude FLORIDA's been destroyed by the Housing Crisis.

the GOP might get destroyed by The Newt Crisis.

I know Florida's had it bad with the housing too, iirc Nevada has had it the worst, statistically speaking

highest foreclosure rate in the country etc

arizona too no?

new (well pre-new hampshire) newt article at nyrb (not didion sorry) http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/feb/09/republican-nightmare/

linkee linkee linkee day.

Found this link thru Slacktivist, about the weird shifts going on in American evangelical conservative circles that had a bit that rang true and seemed really appropriate to our conversation:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2012/01/neo-fundamentalism-excellent-but-somewhat-lengthy-essay/

Some conservative evangelicals are reacting to the contemporary influences of postmodernity in much the same way that the original fundamentalists did towards the influences of modernity a century ago — namely through hostility towards the broader culture, retrenchment around certain theological doctrines, and conflict with, or separatism from others within a more broadly defined evangelicalism.

… The driving force behind neo-fundamentalism, as with historic fundamentalism, is a “remnant mentality.” Neo-fundamentalists believe they alone are remaining true to the fullness of the gospel and orthodox faith while the rest of the evangelical church is in grave, near-apocalyptic danger of theological drift, moral laxity, and compromise with a postmodern culture – a culture which they see as being characterized by a skepticism towards Enlightenment conceptions of “absolute truth,” a pluralistic blending of diverse beliefs, values, and cultures, and a suspicion of hierarchies and traditional sources of authority. Because of this hostility toward postmodern ways of thinking, neo-fundamentalists have little tolerance for diversity of opinions among evangelicals on any issues they perceive as essential doctrines – which are most of them – as opposed to the broader evangelical movement which historically has allowed for a much wider range of disagreement on disputable matters. Neo-fundamentalists thus respond to the challenges of a postmodern culture by narrowing the boundaries of what they consider genuinely evangelical and orthodox Christianity, and rejecting those who maintain a more open stance.

It connects back to the point mentioned upthread that no tolerable GOP candidate could emerge b/c the current GOP primary base has been whittled down by the last 10-11 years to only the most resentful, clueless, angry, aged, etc. You have a lot of reactionary ideologues spurting forth a froth of anger and psychological issues manifested as politics.

There's a fucked-up emotional psychodrama going on that can't be reasoned with since it ain't coming from the reasoned part of people's brains.

In other words, all the sane people left. Huntsman stayed in far longer than one would have expected, even.

I think Newt would have to be the favorite if he actually won Florida. That would be the kind of devastating result that I don't think Romney has the political skill to handle.

nevada = mormons

lots and lots of mormons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Republican_caucuses,_2008

Don't worry about Nevada. Fredo's been sent out there to take care of things, and the Molinari Family on the Coast has guaranteed his safety. Newt's got that one locked up.

As an outsider, can anyone tell me what any of these candidates stand for, other than winning the nomination?

bullying

ressentiment

Daniels is giving the response to tonight's SOTU and Mitten's is going to be interviewed afterward

weird start

glad youve noticed Bam is a Republican candidate.

what's amazing to me is that the GOP hasn't marginalized itself into irrelevance.

u know it's the US, right?

i guess we're talking SotU here?

I just want to know how beat the shit out of John Kerry.

i'd use the "obama's flaws" thread if i were u

This is boring. If O doesn't mention DREAM/imm reform I don't care about anything else he sez. Actually, even if he does I don't really care. Also the lighting is weird and he looks like a green reptile man.

His hair greyer, his voiced rhythms stodgy, he looks more tired than ever.

$5 says he declares war on china before the end of the speech

idk why anyone tunes in to these things

all part of the same national fraud

Employment is one of my core issues, so I'm eating a lot of this up. Let's see if any of this actually comes thru. Also, enjoying that he's hitting the values line.

Did catch the SOPA ref he stuck in there.

Frowny Cantor is frowny.

if most americans watched these things we'd probably be better off

Ok grad/18 year old requirement is interesting and bold move

Cantor looks like a silent film actor.

if most americans watched these things we'd probably be better off

bcz they'd burn D.C. to the ground?

Dammit, never fucking say "tax relief"

or whatever, but certainly we can all agree that criminals are able to get away with crimes better when their victims are completely disengaged xp

jesus fucking christ, he just endorsed the "all of the above" energy "strategy"

wow, he really bought this shit

fuck

energy/environment misinformers have strived for the last 20 years to get everyone to align to "all of the above". mission accomplished.

ZS u are pretty much charlie brown + obama's energy policy is a football rite?

SCROTUS

Nice, a deliberate groaner

is this where the SOTU liveblogging is taking place?

I'm not going into the regular American politickin' thread, so year, guess so

lol mordy

i'm 99% cynical about obama/environment/energy, ever since summer 2010 and his total failure to speak out in favor of the climate bill when it needed his support the most. i'm just always amazed at the new lows he sinks to as he continues to attempt to compromise with science and natural systems.

strange cinematographic slow zoom on warren buffett's secretary

nice to see OWS language make it in

did somebody just yell 'booo-urnnns'

His acquiescence to GOP slogans is brazen and breathtaking. Ugh.

Exactly. Using your opponent's framing just reinforces the mindset behind it.

Here comes the bloodthirsty part

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1995/aug/10/the-teachings-of-speaker-gingrich/?pagination=false

i link to this everywhere but thats joan didion in 1995 absolutely murking gingrich mostly just by reproducing all of his stupid ideas right next to one another

― max, Monday, January 23, 2012 10:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

read somewhere recently that this piece is well known to have hurt newts feelings deeply and I lold, btw I own a sweatshirt made out of recycled plastic bottles you know microfibers and whatnot

anyone who doesn't spell AMERICA in all-caps is an ASS HOLE

finally obama puts it in terms I can understand - we should all act like we're playing counterstrike online

exit chamber to morcheeba plz