well, whatever else it may be (deluded, for instance), thinking of obama as a liberal is hardly "extreme". it's pretty much the definition of centrism, which of course = right-of-centrism these days. it's a position of despondent, defeated acceptance, not radicalism of any stripe.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:08 (fourteen years ago)
Another SC voter speaks:
“If you could mix them together, then maybe you’d have someone,” said Kelly Burrell, 32, a single mother working at a cellphone cover kiosk in a Spartanburg mall. “Like, if you had a cross between Newt and Ron Paul, maybe with a little Santorum thrown in, we’d be great.”
― Detrius "The-Dream" Nash (symsymsym), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:17 (fourteen years ago)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rVz64IizjuY/TZ3jtCNx3eI/AAAAAAAAABw/3HydK9J0mkY/s320/250px-Blinky.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:20 (fourteen years ago)
maybe with a little Santorum thrown in, we’d be greatmaybe with a little Santorum thrown in, we’d be greatmaybe with a little Santorum thrown in, we’d be greatmaybe with a little Santorum thrown in, we’d be great
― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
The Island of Dr Rove
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:27 (fourteen years ago)
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly61fj6o0a1qdmmiqo1_r1_500.gif
― do it, Rockapella! (Z S), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:43 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/files/2012/01/KingDCD.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:45 (fourteen years ago)
hahaha, I looked at that for 15 seconds waiting for King to move or blink
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:48 (fourteen years ago)
Thing is, in the original clip (go to around the 50-second mark), King's head barely moves at all. Maybe ZS can animate that still and make his head fall off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc4lnlDVW3o&feature=related
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 January 2012 20:53 (fourteen years ago)
C'mon, he's ZS, not LSUFreek.
― pplains, Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:03 (fourteen years ago)
Gingrich puts the fire in the potbellies of young conservative
I lol'd
― “How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
clemenza, do you really think Romney has a chance? There's no need to hope Gingrich gets the nomination -- Romney's done.
Huh? Surely Romney is still the nominee, barring something crazy happening, right?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:24 (fourteen years ago)
well, I hear Reagan's still dead.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:25 (fourteen years ago)
Heard my first interview with someone on unemployment proclaiming their support of Ron Paul.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly649iixpI1qdmmiqo1_r1_500.gifhttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly64h1ej5E1qdmmiqo1_500.gif
― do it, Rockapella! (Z S), Saturday, 21 January 2012 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
I would describe Newt's color there as burnt umbrage.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
unemployment is ok for (formerly) hard-working white ppl whose jobs and prospects have been destroyed by the Obamacare economy
― your dominican divorce (will), Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:24 (fourteen years ago)
possible i misheard or misinterpreted but p sure Fox had a poll earlier showing that Gingrich's support among SC GOP primary voter women was higher than among males. what is this amazing magnetism Newt has with teh ladeez? (cf Dr. Ablow's column from upthread)
― your dominican divorce (will), Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:30 (fourteen years ago)
The man in action:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/288821/gingrich-south-carolinians-start-telling-your-florida-friends-vote-me-katrina-trinko
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:33 (fourteen years ago)
And what the
http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-to-send-cake-to-gingrich-hq-to-celebrate-15th-anniversary-of-ethics-scandal/
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:35 (fourteen years ago)
There are strict rules against campaigning in polling places. And Mr. Santorum's sweater vest was in violation of them on Saturday....Anne Danciu, one of the volunteers enforcing the no-campaigning rules, took one of her spare name tags that said "poll worker" and had Mr. Santorum stick it on over the logo. But there was a problem. The sticker was too small to cover the entire logo. So Ms. Danciu took some masking tape and gave it to Mr. Santorum to cover the parts of that were still peeking through....Asked what Mr. Santorum was doing in the gym if he wasn't campaigning, Ms. Danciu replied, "He was showing off his sweater vest."
...Anne Danciu, one of the volunteers enforcing the no-campaigning rules, took one of her spare name tags that said "poll worker" and had Mr. Santorum stick it on over the logo. But there was a problem. The sticker was too small to cover the entire logo. So Ms. Danciu took some masking tape and gave it to Mr. Santorum to cover the parts of that were still peeking through.
...Asked what Mr. Santorum was doing in the gym if he wasn't campaigning, Ms. Danciu replied, "He was showing off his sweater vest."
― do it, Rockapella! (Z S), Saturday, 21 January 2012 22:45 (fourteen years ago)
thinking of obama as a liberal is hardly "extreme". it's pretty much the definition of centrism, which of course = right-of-centrism these days.
well, I don't mean "extremist" in the fire-breathing way you seem to. I mean extreme in the self-delusion that a center-right pol matches the dictionary definition of liberal for comfort's sake.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
NEWT!!!
― your dominican divorce (will), Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:24 (fourteen years ago)
6:17 pmNate SilverIs Romney Still Ahead in Florida?Florida is a reasonably strong state for Mitt Romney. But it's not clear how large his lead is there, even before accounting for anything that might happen tonight.
FiveThirtyEight's current forecast of Florida shows Mr. Romney with 46 percent of the vote there to 25 percent for Newt Gingrich -- a 21-point lead.
Essentially all of the polling data used for the forecast, however, predates the Monday night debate in Myrtle Beach; since then, there has been a dramatic reversal of fortunes in the Republican race. Mr. Romney lost 15 points off his national polling lead in the Gallup national tracking poll over this period. There has been an even larger swing -- a net of about 21 points between Mr. Romney and Mr. Gingrich -- in South Carolina.
If the Florida polls have swung as much as the national polls during the past several days, Mr. Romney would have only about a five-point lead there now. And if the Florida polls have swung as much as the South Carolina polls have during the last week, Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Romney would now be essentially tied.
― iatee, Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:27 (fourteen years ago)
that would be something, wouldn't it?
― iatee, Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:28 (fourteen years ago)
feelin the newtbrations
― oneohtrix and park (m bison), Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:36 (fourteen years ago)
Newtmentum is growing
― C-L, Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:42 (fourteen years ago)
nothing can withstand newtonium
― “How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:44 (fourteen years ago)
Note some of the comments and polling data Sullivan's flagging -- jeez Louise:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/01/live-blogging-the-south-carolina-results.html
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 January 2012 00:55 (fourteen years ago)
Also there are apparently a LOT of comments floating around online/via TV about the whole Romney's-a-Mormon-so-yuck thing...so maybe it is a thing?
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 January 2012 01:23 (fourteen years ago)
we are doomed if the sentiments of online comments are a bellwether for the future
― quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:06 (fourteen years ago)
NEWT! BOOM!
― lag∞n, Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:26 (fourteen years ago)
Hahaha teleprompter jokes, this guy newt, so funny
― Clay, Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:38 (fourteen years ago)
If you go to my website, I have a 54-page paper you can read!
― C-L, Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:40 (fourteen years ago)
Holy crap he is gonna keep pushing the food stamp thing.
― C-L, Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:41 (fourteen years ago)
lol http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/live-coverage-of-the-south-carolina-primary/?src=twt&twt=fivethirtyeight#obama-campaign-needling-romney
― lag∞n, Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:42 (fourteen years ago)
That's great, ZS.
Just getting home from a film--fantastic. I know most of you have given up on Sullivan, but I think he has it exactly right: "This is what the GOP now is, and it deserves its spokesman. But do not under-estimate the appeal to some of the idea of humiliating and removing the first black president. That's what Gingrich is really about. He is giving them what they want."
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:03 (fourteen years ago)
republicans are suicidal http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-gingrich
― lag∞n, Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:08 (fourteen years ago)
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/polls_gop_suicide_4337_123568_poll_xlarge.jpg?w=200&h=134
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:14 (fourteen years ago)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/01/21/us/politics/fivethirtyeight-0121-axelrodtweet/fivethirtyeight-0121-axelrodtweet-blog480-v2.png
― do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:33 (fourteen years ago)
From David Wiegel:
Forty-five percent of voters ranked "can defeat Obama" as the supremo quality they want in a nominee. Gingrich won them over Romney, 51-37. Why? Tony Shipley, a Tennessee state representative who runs Newt's campaign there, explained it to me. "He will LACERATE Obama in a debate. He will absolutely ANNIHILATE him."
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:05 (fourteen years ago)
First of all, Newt wouldn't.
And second of all,
http://www.local10.com/image/view/-/4691582/medRes/2/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/moomv0/-/bush-kerry-debate-jpg.jpg
debates aren't that much of a thing anymore.
― pplains, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:15 (fourteen years ago)
over what, i wonder?? mandated health coverage? cap'n trade? o wait, i know -- food stamps!!
― your dominican divorce (will), Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:18 (fourteen years ago)
That seems crazy for a similar reason that I'm not inclined to put much weight on the claims that the economy will have to improve markedly to re-elect Obama: he's been holding steady without actually having to step into the ring. The rest of the year will feature a lot of Obama in front of a mike, and that's where his genius lies. He'll be able to focus on actually popular things he's done, and a large chunk of the unpopular shit will be off limits to anyone the Republicans are going to throw at him short of Ron Paul. That said, if Newt's limbo skills allow him to turn socialist in order to attack Romney, maybe he'll be putting flowers in gun barrels by November.
xpost to clemenza
pplains - a debate just turned this bad boy around for Newt!
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:21 (fourteen years ago)
eh with multiple debates I wouldn't be surprised if newt 'won' some, winning is more about the media arbitrarily deciding you exceeded expectations / got the right zings in / etc
― iatee, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
man, gop really going into hyper-mcgovern mode, except nixon wasn't beatable
― buzza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
I agree totally on pplains' first point--I'm just fascinated by the certainty of Republicans who hold that view.
As many others have observed, I think the debates were important to Obama in 1980 in the same way they were important to Reagan in 1980: they helped each establish a comfort level with voters who needed reassurance.
(The only thing I'd point out about Obama holding steady is that he's been holding steady at a 40-45% approval rating for the past year.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:23 (fourteen years ago)
(that wouldn't matter tho dude would still lose by a ten point margin) xp
― iatee, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:24 (fourteen years ago)
Obama in 2008, I mean.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:25 (fourteen years ago)
iatee: do you think tonight is just a lot of meaningless noise?
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2012 04:26 (fourteen years ago)