Homicide: Life on the Street: classic or the best show ever created?

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Well, yeah, he's not exactly a likeable character, but I think he's a good character. He's kind of like Felton in that he's just an average cop: not really that smart, doesn't really solve crimes through ingenuity but more just through persistence or luck. You can't just have 8 Pembletons.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

That's why I love Lewis. He's a "shuffler."

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

have you read the book nick? i read the book before rewatching homicide again (which i'm still in the midst of), and it was so fascinating to watch in light of how much of it actually happened to david simon. the first three seasons especially.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Lewis is probably my second-fave character after predictable choice of Frank Pembleton for #1.

I have not read the book, I'll try and find it.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

He was the Judge in the Wire, right? He had one of the Wire's pivotal "I'll help you now, but I'll accidentally fuck everything up later" roles (see also the lawyer, the FBI guy, the shift commander, etc.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The book is intensely good, but it took me about 2 years to read.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, his attitude and justification for not answering a call as a patrolman just made me hate him from the get-go.

They explain this away by having someone (Kellerman?) confront him about it once he becomes a Homicide detective and he says that later (after the patrolman call episode) he got beat up in the process of chasing somebody and it forced him to confront his fears and realize that the fear of injury was worse than the actual injury. It's kind of a b.s. brushoff explanation, but it is an attempt at an explanation.

xpost, oh yeah, he was McNulty's judge pal.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked both Gharty and Ballard. Really the only character that really failed for me was Michael Michelle's cop, who was so bad I can't remember her name or anything she did.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think maybe I like The Wire more, but they are pretty different shows.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

She nearly got Lewis killed, that's what she did!
It was like, soul-crushing to see someone pretty on the show (though, I'd totally go 8 rounds with M. Leo--or her twin!)

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that Stivers you're talking about? I'm so confused. Stivers was tolerable but boring and useless, other than to harp at Lewis and Kellerman about the Mahoney shooting.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Stivers had some good moments, but was underused, and became just a lame Mahoney harper.
Michael Michelle was the tall, HOT, lady. Maybe she was only in S7.
Have you met Michael Giardello yet?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

???

These must be season seven characters. Should I even bother with season seven? I'm kind of curious given all the hints about stuff that happens to Bayliss.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, bother with it. But be warned! o
Overall, it's disappointing, because it falls short of the previous seasons' high standards, and, y'know, no Braugher.
But Mike Giardello is an interesting character, or rather, GIANCARLO ESPOSITO is a fun actor to watch (and has the best hair anybody on Homicide ever had). And obviously, the Tim Bayliss character gets a website, and who doesn't like TV shows about the internet?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

So I'm assuming this Mike Giardello character is related to G?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

it's his son. I thought he appeared earlier in season six? he works/worked for the FBI or something.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

MAJOR SPOILERS ALLERT!

I loved watching all the Homicides. I'm shocked there's a 7th season? I thought the finale, which I thought was the last episode of season 6, had a really strange ending. So I guess Bayliss lives then? Does he have any trouble recovering like Pembleton did with his stroke?

Though, you know, I thought I remembered someone saying Bayliss was the only character in ALL of the seasons, so I thought it was weird that pembleton was still around in 6. But now I know there's a 7th and that pembleton leaves...

One thing I didn't like about the show was how many of the main characters were killed off. I think they could have come up with better explanations for taking the characters off the show. On the other hand, some of the explanations they did come up with (like for the female ex-shift commander who ends up in France) seemed totally thrown together. They'd mention it for like one second and then act like that person never existed after that (except for her character, actually, since she did come back when Beau got shot).

Remind me how all their stories end, because I can't remember (ie: where the characters supposedly end up).

The movie sounds so AWFUL based purely on the plot summary amy gave way upthread. Enough with the crew getting shot already!

Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the movie is not that bad.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I still can't remember what happened to Kaye Howard? Did she just get rotated out to another department and never come back?

Also, what was up with Russert being related to Tim Russert? Did some crew member just have a Tim Russert connection they wanted to exploit?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

it was just a joke because of the name, yeah.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think the show ever really gets BAD, at least not in the seasons we've watched. It gets less unique, more like a "cop show," and adds some irritating characters, but it stays consistently watchable. The only really bad episode I can remember was near the end of season six, the one with the couple who murders women they meet in nightclubs, where the husband stuns them with a stun gun and then the wife strangles them with panty hose. That was like some Murder, She Wrote shit.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha.
Yeah, I think Kay just moved on, with no ceremony, to Narcotics or Fugitive or something.
Meldrick Lewis and Gee are in all seasons as well.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

For SARAH who want TEH SPOILERS:

Pembleton: Ends up teaching.
Bayliss: WATCH THE FINAL SEASON AND THEN THE MOVIE
Lewis: No diff.
Howard: Transfers out.
Kellerman: Eats a lot of food.
Gee: WATCH THE MOVIE
Russert: Goes to France, comes back a lot.
Munch: Fucks off to New York to hang with Ice T, leaves Lewis holding the bag, Waterfront-wise.
Bolander: Never visits.
Latter-days cast: NOT MUCH.
Mike Giardello: Beats people up while Kellerman eats food.
Felton & Crosetti: WATCH THE MOVIE!
Scheiner: Falls asleep at parties.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently Max Perlich appeared on an episode of Nash Bridges - AKA Homicide ratings enemy no. 1! Sellout! Also he was in Ferris Bueller's Day Off as "Anderson." Anyone have any idea who this is?

I remember reading in Homicide: Life on the Streets. The Official Companion that he also got arrested in between seasons for brandishing a gun in public.

He also appeared in Beautiful Girls if I remember correctly.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG SCHEINER RULES.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP, Scheiner (4 yrs ago)
http://imdb.com/name/nm0845863/

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy crap. Jake Gyllenhaal was the kid in the Robin Williams episode!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Zeljko Ivanek on W.12th street a couple of years ago. When I pointed him out to a friend, he spotted me and started running away as though this were something that happens often.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't he on OZ as well?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

And he was Dennis Hopper's son in 24!

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 12 August 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah! Weird.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been skimming this online glossary for H:LOTS and found this:

Lewis' joke: Several times, Lewis was heard telling the punch line to a joke: "...and the bear says to the guy..'You didn't come here to hunt, did you?" The part of the joke not heard, basically goes as follows: A guy is hiding in a tree with a gun, when he takes a shot at a bear he sees coming down a path. He misses, and the bear comes up to him and says "Did you try to kill me?" "No, of course not," says the guy. The bear replies, "I don't believe you," and throws the hunter over a tree limb, and has sex with him. The next day, the guy returns with a larger gun, and again shoots at the bear. Again he misses, and again the bear has sex with him. The next day, the guy returns with an even larger gun, and he again shoots at the bear and misses...and the bear says to the guy "You didn't come here to hunt, did you?" According to Lewis, the joke is all "about the set-up," not the punch line. (Have a Conscience)

From here:
http://userweb.suscom.net/~homicide/glossary.htm

Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I just read a bunch of spoilers for season 7 and the movie on that page, woops.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. I should have warned you about that. I just skipped over anything in blue.

Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 12 August 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I forgot Jason Priestly was in the movie!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 15 September 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm reading the homicide book now. i read simon's 'the corner' which was really good too.

amon (eman), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i'm up to season 4. great so far. kellerman has actually grown on me. well to the point where i don't hate him anymore. also my favorite character is:
http://www.what-a-character.com/photos/998311296.jpg

amon (eman), Friday, 21 October 2005 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, I heart Scheiner.

Kellerman was on Law and Order last night!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 21 October 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Bayliss plays Geena Davis' husband in her new "OMG A CHICK IS PRESIDENT" show.

And I was watching, um, "Escape from L.A." the other day and hot coroner lady and her mole were in it.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
i caught one last night. don't know whether it was the first. was great though.

um, was 'Ghost Of A Chance', the second epsiode:
http://epguides.com/HomicideLifeontheStreet/

koogs (koogs), Monday, 7 November 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

They started last Friday. I was excited, but having got the first night of ITV4 via Sky on the Men & Motors channel (don't ask me), it's no longer available. It's also reshowing Larry Sanders from the beginning. And I can't get it. 200 other fucking channels, but not this.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 7 November 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw, Martin, that sucks!

A good friend tells me that the video editors for The Wire work next door to him, so I might get some advance poop on the new season, set to start in March. Ideally, you know, their edit suite would be some Narnia-like room where I could suddenly become the rookie cop on the show, but I'm not sure exactly how that works so I don't want to get too excited in advance if that part doesn't work out.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 November 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

martin: found this on digital spy forums:

"itv 4 will launch in full on sky on 07/11/05... itv4 will be on epg at 120..."

so it should be available now.

(i have episode 2 if you need it)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's all good -- they just started the channel a week late on Sky Digital (if that's what you've got, Martin). Interestingly, they are also showing daily episodes of the thirteen-year-old-boy's favourite, Dream On.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks - I had noticed, Andy, as I kept checking to see if it was around.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
My favourite two episodes ever have just been on - the one where it's all in the squadroom on the hottest night in years, and a sexy young black cleaning lady is almost the only outsider was on recently; but we have just had the one I wrote about on Freaky Trigger a while back (http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2004_03_01_dys_archive.html#107999327862701916) and that scene with Braugher is as breathtaking as ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 December 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i think i remember seeing the robin williams episode the first time it was shown. the nurse hathaway with a violin episode rings a bell as well but it's been a while. (series 2 only had 4 episodes, i wonder why). (the first episodes i can actively remember are the ones where the squad was followed around by that film-maker who later turned up as a demon in various buffy episodes)

was wondering this morning whether anyone had a complete list of the names on the board and which episodes they feature in.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
so, it was steve buscemi all along...

itv4 are dicking around with the schedules a bit, episodes are being dropped for random films and stuff (between parts 2 and 3 of the last storyline for instance) and this week there appears to be a friday episode on top of the sunday episode.

(i have started the aforementioned list of names on the boards in my palm pilot. some numbers have 3 names associated with them.)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, "Thief" with Andre Braugher on Sky One tonight.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link


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