think youre kinda missing the point
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
doosh.0
― am0n, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't watch the "I'm Shithead" tosh segment but I'm really gonna be surprised if the subtext is "you're racist for enjoying this thing we put on national TV"
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
haha that's the subtext of every Tosh segment though
― some dude, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
errr aint no sub about it
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt see it either but i don't think he really calls out the audience much - usually just the people who make the videos
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
@heyjeannie Casual racism is harmful and perpetuates negative and outdated stereotypes? Impossibru! #altreddit
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone here interacted with this piece of media that's been posted about for the last few hours
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
me watch 'shithead' one day
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Hi, haven't checked in for a while but the Whiney angle that some dude extrapolated on is one I agree with completely. Going "whooa, this is a racial stereotype, good thing we aren't racists!" is pretty much the cheapest thing people are doing on tv.
I mean, other than america's funniest tosh.0
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
Going "whooa, this is a racial stereotype, good thing we aren't racists!" is pretty much the cheapest thing people are doing on tv.
can't OTM this enough. there was a time, not so long ago, when "ironic" mock-racism arguably had some real subversive power. this power was dependent on unacceptability, on genuine offensiveness. the shock and discomfort it generated could be used to call attention to pervasive racism that might otherwise go unmentioned.
once it became an ordinary part of everyone's comic arsenal, however, it lost this power and became a mechanism for the perpetuation and normalization of racist thinking. it no longer said "people are racist, and it's totally fucked." instead, it began to say "people are racist, this is what everybody thinks, and hey, what are you gonna do?"
which might be a good thing in certain regards, i dunno...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
the "i'm not saying, i'm just saying some people might say" approach
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
thinking of writing a song called "Everybody Knows You're Racist"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
"this is what everybody thinks"...?
i mean, obviously we're familiar with these stereotypes, but suggesting that people think they're anything more strikes me as a little off
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer otm
I honestly think the tipping point for that was Chappelle's Show being a wildly sophisticated show that people were just too stupid to fully understand on the level it demanded.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
there is a lot of OTM there; it's half of why Chappelle pulled the plug on it (the other half being "too much pressure, must smoke weed and play WoW")
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
uhhh, what?I realize that Chappelle's Show dealt with these issues pretty intelligently but to call it "wildly sophisticated" is going to raise a few eyebrows
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
damn dude, how many eyebrows do you have
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
from wildly sophisticated posted frogbs
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Imagining this to the tune of Jeff Buckley's "Everybody Here Wants You."
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
i mean it was definitely levels above a lot of what came after but there was still an awful lot of "white people derp derp derp, black people doot doot doot"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
what do colombian people say?
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
I like how black people are inherently musical in frgobs's subconscious
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
As an Chappelle example from IRL, I knew someone parroting back the "itis" routine after a particularly big BBQ dinner. He honestly had no idea what the slang word really meant or what it was short for or what its history was—which is something Chappelle clearly expected from his audience—he just thought it was a funny way to say 'full of BBQ." When he had it explained, he was pretty fucking mortified.
Pretty sure that happened like 100 times a day on college campuses ca. 2003
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.photocase.com/stock-photos/38361-stock-photo-woman-green-eyes-near-frog-eyebrow.jpg
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
what the hell are you talking about?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think for a lot of people Chapelle was being contemporary, but for a lot of people (and the target market of Comedy Central) it aimed high as far as audience maturity and experience. Not that a good cable audience would have existed, other than maybe a premium channel where the barrier to entry was higher and people would have to seek it out or rely on word of mouth. Instead, the same people who thought dressing up as Aunt Jemima for their drinking parties were watching.
Now the standard tv audience is doing this knowing nod "that's so racist, I'm not a racist" shuck and jive. That worked occasionally when you got the feeling the writers or performers were working from a post-racial stereotype angle and being ridiculous, but usually it's just lazy shorthand for "race humor is awkward, awkward is funny"
x-p did Chapelle say "the itis?" I remember it more from Boondocks
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, 100% agree with everything that people are saying all day re: "I'm Shithead" which sucks and don't watch it if you haven't, I wish I didn't.
I do feel that this thread/ILX in general casts its net a little wide w/finding offense in comedy sketches, tho. Apparently two people on this board think Tim and Eric is minstrelsy? Whoa.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Chappelle had a fake commercial (starring Rashida Jones iirc) about a sleep aid for African-Americans called "Ribs" that worked by triggering "The Itis" (side-effects could include "mudbutt")
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNh_mQo9fXo
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
(Not defending Tim & Eric in terms of "funniness"-- not my thing, really) xp
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
which commercial was Rashida Jones in? they are all kind of blurring together for me
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
(frogbs: have you looked back at your post and figured out what I was talking about yet)
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
they all blur together in my daydreams, and they are all amazing and star Rashida Jones
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
parroting terms that white people generally don't know the history of != "wildly sophisticated"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
now i have chappelle's "i'm the black sheep the real black sheep, doodley doot doot doodley doo" song stuck in my head
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
the "skeet skeet" bit was pretty sophisticated
I don't know from itis.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
you're reaching pretty damn hard, but someday you'll get there
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, what are we assuming "itis" is short for?
― mh, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
mh is white, btw
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, dan was joking.
― nah (crüt), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
titis
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
i hadn't seen the sketch or the boondocks ep. what is 'itis' short for and what is its history?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
i wasn't aware of 'the itis' having any racist subtext tbh
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
i think we're all about to learn something very interesting from whiney, or about whiney.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+itis
3rd def down
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.i seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not really sure how it makes a show 'wildly sophisticated' if 90% of your white audience (and some % of your black audience?) isn't going to get a throwaway joke
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
haha i cannot tell if mh is fucking with us by casually using "shuck and jive" in this way
― Planned Perrintweet (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link