@frogbs Not so much "is this joke reenforcing the oppression/stereotyping of non-whites", more "as a white person is it OK if I laugh at/listen to/watch this"
does anyone actually feel like watching/listening to racial humor is "not okay" because it'll turn them into racists? (or...?)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
... because, in the case of Family Guy, it's boring shite that you could probably have gotten away with in the UK like 30 years ago
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
i.e. 'Allo, 'Allo?
― Dancin with Mr. D__ (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
Well, it's old hat, red nose humour
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
You can deal with racial humor or racist stereotypes without actually being racist, it's just a really difficult task because to some people even acknowledging a race-based stereotype is seen as racist.
― mh, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:14 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but the flipside of this, which i thought Whiney was getting at in a worthwhile way, is that to some people acknowledging a race-based stereotype in any kind of knowing or humorous or ironically distanced way absolves you of any kind of possibility of seeming racists or approaching the subject tastefully or responsibly. there's a bit of a naughty 'ain't I a stinker' hue to it as well as a strong whiff of 'if I bring this subject up AND preemptively signal that I'm not endorsing a racist mindset in the same breath I can preempt any accusations of being a racist' maneuvering. at some point this WAS a clever and perhaps even smart way to deal with this kind of thing, but now that it's a standard tool of every 3rd show on TV and is often done really reflexively and carelessly, it's just kind of nauseating.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, exactly that.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
I pretty much agree with that with the unfortunate caveat that ironic racist caricature heavily informs most of my current favorite shows
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
sorry that tosh.0 is your favorite show
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
the really sad thing is that I did actually watch Tosh.0 for like three weeks before going "wait, NO"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh.0 is basically just videos of ppl throwing up on each other and dick jokes, right?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh is actually one of the people guilty of that sort of thing who I don't mind as much because there's so little distance between him and the joke, he's not playing a fictional character or voicing a goofy-looking cartoon or putting his words in the mouth of a minority to soften the blow, he just stands up there saying the horrible noxious but sometimes pretty funny thing as himself and lets you think whatever you want about him.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I appreciate that Tosh doesn't really try to defend himself at all nor does he ever pretend his show is supposed to be anything more than crass jokes and gross/funny videos, the reason why I'll defend him over Family Guy is that he's a lot funnier and doesn't always go the obvious route the way FG does
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
when was the last time you actually watched Family Guy
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
are you seriously getting haughty about people underestimating the nuance of Seth MacFarlane
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
are you seriously getting haughty about somebody stanning in a ridiculous manner on ilx
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
can we all stop using the word haughty? it reminds me of a constipated horse
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
hee-haughty
― buzza, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I'm getting haughty about people overestimating the nuance of Tosh.0!
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://documents.clubexpress.com/clubs/289698/graphics/The_Haughty_Horse_Logo_2011.jpg
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I watch it a lot at the gym b/c the machines I use are generally stationed in a place where I have to choose between that, "Uncover Boss", or "The X Factor", I don't know how many new-ish episodes I've seen but I've watched more of it than I want to admit
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
ie no they don't have a character buffer btwn the viewer and the depiction but i'd disagree that it's somehow a flat, literal and unironic statement of belief for all that
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:13 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
OTM. the family guy's misogyny is pervasive, nasty and seemingly undistanced. i find it much more offensive than the lol racism bullshit.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
"uncover boss" sounds like the worst game show ever
― blurgh (jjjusten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
depends on yr boss
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
now if you'll excuse me, I need to get Ms. Berry her latte
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
iunno man, like tosh is like the exact same anarchic attitude towatds humor that perpetuates "I'm Shithead" where like "funny = funny," and you're not supposed to think about how terrible it really is. I really think the internet is like a glowing id that lets people live out their basest shocky impulses to say the n-word and look at vaginas and laugh at car crash victims all day. Television shows should be commenting on that instead of reflecting it.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Like all the jokes in "I'm Shithead" really are like id shock buzzwords barely tramsmuted through "post-modern youtube culture": "anal," "asian," "AIDS," "black," "drunk."
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
thats sorta just comedy tho tbf
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
whiney what does your display name mean
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
thats sorta just comedy tho now tbf
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:11 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
kind of happy i have no idea what "i'm shithead" is beyond whiney's descriptions of it
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
dayo, i dunno, its a joek about unp3rs0n changing his display name to "誤訳侮辱"
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney is OTM here
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh man just watching that for the first time. what the fuck.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
yah
― rocognise gnome (remy bean), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
"should be"...why?
i think you kind of have to realize there is a difference between finding someone funny or enjoying their show and wanting to emulate that person or thinking that you're full on endorsing that guy. though Tosh seems to be completely different in his interviews, even if he really is a terrible person I'd still enjoy his show.
i get that, but this isn't really what Tosh does
― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
Tosh played the video on his show!
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
no lie i had a dumb running joke with a friend of mine, years ago, that he should pretend "shithead" was like a classic irish name his family gave him
come to think of it, didn't someone do a "Sithéad O'Connor" d/n at some point?
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
i should do a whole whiney style post w/ outraged hyperbole that paraphrases your post but its a stuffy victorian lady complaining abt punch and judy hahaha but yknow
i dont think yr wrong really and the sort of casually knowing distancing that shows like family guy engage in that some ppl seem to think allows them to reinforce racist thinking w/o being complicit in 'racism' is gross and all over the place and tired. but the unsanctioned id is p central to what lots of comedy has always done and it pains me to admit it but frogsters kinda right: its either funnie or its not and if ribald and bawdy and racist offends cool peace theres always p.g. wodehouse novels and collections of newyorker cartoons
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
p.g. wodehouse was pretty racist, dude
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
Television shows should be commenting on that instead of reflecting it.
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:08 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
isn't that what Tosh does by playing "I'm Shithead" on his show and constructing jokes around it? i mean ok big devil's advocate argument there.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
JOEKS
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
:D slow
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I'm sure that episode had some real tut-tutting and finger-wagging from Daniel Tosh
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
wow goole that is incredibly offen- nah fuckit who'm i kidding
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
well again i haven't seen it or the bit he did. but a lot of times when he shows a video he'll do like 10 jokes of it and half of them are at the expense of whatever the original joke is and then half of them are more subtly about the people who made the video and/or the people who made it popular on youtube. (xpost)
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
anyway lamp has a point, cutting through your most polite and considerate instincts with something silly or mean or wrong is a HUGE part of comedy and is neither purely a good thing or a bad thing, which is all the more reason to try to be discriminating about this sort of thing and seperate the stuff from the stuff
pg wodehouse str8 up hated everyone except jeeves
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
whoa im shithead is pretty weird
― max, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
yes, "weird"...
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link