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hey elmo, are there actual men fashion/clothing bloggers outside of the hypebeast-type people who are into modern materials/new stuff? Can't think of anything too much in the way of examples, maybe something like the arcteryx veilance line?

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 16:48 (fourteen years ago)

my general feeling is that there's not a lot of interest in invention or new technology from men's style blogs atm? at least among the blogs i've been paying attention to. tradition and heritage and craftsmanship and all that are still the prevailing influences and people only really get excited about technical fabrics when someone makes a sport coat out of one

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

but! that is just my view, there may be that stuff out there but i'm not sure where

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

i completely understand the backlash against/hatred for the sartorially inclined double monkstrap "blogger blue" db blazer types. the weird rap blog dialect thing, the circle jerking, stfu abt "pitti," etc etc.

what i don't understand is why no one is talking shit about the put this on guys. especially the main one. the wet eyed fat faced goon. maybe he makes ugly/dumpy internet types feel like they can play too? the guy just skeeves me out.

these dudes are mostly useful for pointing out sales without having to trudge thru styleforum threads.

i do like "an affordable wardrobe" and "a suitable wardrobe" quite a bit. those dudes have some good ideas on how to live.

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

also, dudes

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:43 (fourteen years ago)

and harris tweed diemme hiking boots come on guys

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpcimY3WN1qdfusyo2_500.jpg

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

oh man, i hate put this on so much, i'm sure i've posted lots about it on ilx

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

an affordable wardrobe i can get down with but a suitable wardrobe is completely insufferable imho

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

the guy is fucking nuts tho. he's making these proclamations abt the well-dressed gentleman like $500 at a time. "well ah yes naturally one will want 14 pairs of bresciani socks to wear with one's $350 velvet house slippers." i guess he writes for forbes or something? and is paid in diamonds and rare works of art? b/c there's no way he can be that rich just from selling ludicrously overpriced "gilets" to people over the internet.

i dunno, he's a window into this totally square clueless white guy fantasy world and even if he's just faking/aspirationing it he's very convincingly square and clueless.

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:54 (fourteen years ago)

see also "mostexerentbrog"

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:55 (fourteen years ago)

lol exactly. the yeah die workwear / ASW / PTO / most exerent style of menswear blogging really just irks me endlessly, I feel like there's a barely veiled class antagonism underlying all of their commentary

but whatev, i lol @ the time the die workwear dude got quite butthurt when I implied he was classist

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

what i don't understand is why no one is talking shit about the put this on guys. especially the main one. the wet eyed fat faced goon. maybe he makes ugly/dumpy internet types feel like they can play too? the guy just skeeves me out.

somehow i knew exactly who you were talking about: i tried watching the first episode a couple years back and i just could not believe that this guy was serious. sure, he was wearing expensive nice things but he just looked like a crepey dweeb who took men's fashion blogs waay too seriously

but then again, what do i know? my relationship to men's fashion just basically boils down to subscribing to a bunch of feeds, flicking through the pictures, and absorbing the styles and trends through osmosis

pat methamphetamine (diamonddave85), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:06 (fourteen years ago)

i'm looking on the NYT piece, just the title, "STRAIGHT TALK" like hey can you BELIEVE that these MALE FASHION bloggers DON'T SUCK DICK? i know, right? weird!

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:26 (fourteen years ago)

I wonder how some of these guys would react if there was a woman who really liked the styles they post and was wearing them. AS A WOMAN! What if she was even hetero!!

mh, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:36 (fourteen years ago)

'wet faced goon' redeems this thread

404 (Lamp), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:43 (fourteen years ago)

i dunno that it's classist--like i said the most useful shit these guys do is point me to sales where these clothes/shoes/etc are just at the upper bound of what i can reasonably spend on clothes/shoes/etc--so much as it's a redirection of typical nerd hyperfocus onto cultural producers unused to that kind of uncritical scrutiny, which becomes this insular infinite loop of self-love very quickly. which is why the NYT piece is so weird. these aren't really football, beer, bro-down guys, these are guys who in a more perfect world would have 6 maxed-out world of warcraft characters.

i may be projecting here, as whatever nerdiness with which i approach clothing is the same nerdiness with which i approach comics or mtg or food or whatever else i get into. it's just more acceptable to the wider world.

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 19:32 (fourteen years ago)

i dunno, i definitely see some class issues at play, but it's less about the actual price point than being able to discriminate the quality, timelessness, and luxury. the rules of style they pass down are established by the formality of ruling classes, and there's a working assumption that in order to dress better you have to dress wealthier.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

not a blanket statement but i feel it definitely applies to ASW / PTO / most exerent

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

but enough of that, fight the real enemy:

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx2sa633051qj29d6o1_500.jpg

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:44 (fourteen years ago)

i completely understand the backlash against/hatred for the sartorially inclined double monkstrap "blogger blue" db blazer types. the weird rap blog dialect thing, the circle jerking, stfu abt "pitti," etc etc.

lol someone I know irl is 'obsessed' with getting custom made double monkstrap shoes

bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:44 (fourteen years ago)

probably reads a lot of instructional blogs

bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:45 (fourteen years ago)

double monks make people feet look like action figure feet imo. like plump little torpedos.

adam, Friday, 13 January 2012 20:51 (fourteen years ago)

Good lord, are monkstraps having a revival?? What fresh hell.

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

double monkstraps in particular, if you can believe it

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 13 January 2012 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

http://monroe.ilgenweb.net/lemen/scan0003.jpg

bob loblaw people (dayo), Friday, 13 January 2012 21:00 (fourteen years ago)

what i don't understand is why no one is talking shit about the put this on guys. especially the main one. the wet eyed fat faced goon. maybe he makes ugly/dumpy internet types feel like they can play too? the guy just skeeves me out.

http://zacxwolf.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Put-This-On-15.jpg

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:05 (fourteen years ago)

i guess it's in bad form to make fun of dumpy lookin' ppl for just lookin' as dumpy as god made them -- but holy jesus lol @ this dude's creepstache

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:15 (fourteen years ago)

omg came here to post that pic, that fkn guy

adam, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:18 (fourteen years ago)

i feel a little bad making fun of dude for being ugly but i don't think i would even notice if the rest of his steez weren't so ridiculously affected, he always looks like he's in costume

adam, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:19 (fourteen years ago)

While we can't all have M White's impeccable bone structure, that guy up there does not need to look as droopy and completely ineffectual as he does. Those are carefully considered style choices, is what is amazing.

I have a paranoid daughter and a son who is addicted to internet (Laurel), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:22 (fourteen years ago)

IMO dude can have either the Charlie Brown hair swirl or the molesterstache, but not both

Chaka Collar, lemme rock you (DJP), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:23 (fourteen years ago)

Does he look like someone who spits when he talks? His lips are probably always wet with spittle.

I have a paranoid daughter and a son who is addicted to internet (Laurel), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:25 (fourteen years ago)

*shudder*

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:30 (fourteen years ago)

Jesse Thorn is pretty cool imo. Who cares if he's ugly.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:36 (fourteen years ago)

I don't think he's "ugly," I think his style choices are lamentable, and you know they were exceedingly carefully considered, which is even worse. They all work to accentuate his flabby-seeming, overly precious overgroomed-ness. It's like he's running toward his own annihilation with arms wide open.

I have a paranoid daughter and a son who is addicted to internet (Laurel), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:53 (fourteen years ago)

That PICTURE, gah! The turtle-like head poked forward, everything so affected.

I have a paranoid daughter and a son who is addicted to internet (Laurel), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:54 (fourteen years ago)

holy crap, that's Jesse? I listen to his podcast, he's great! I pictured him looking more like Ned. So weird.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:57 (fourteen years ago)

eh, i'm not familiar with his other work but imho the whole ethos behind Put This On just makes me wanna barf

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:06 (fourteen years ago)

I think the ethos of trying to convince schlubby internet nerds to dress better is pretty solid, even if the style choices aren't the best.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

you mean trying to convince schlubby internet nerds that buying italian luxury brands on ebay will make them stylish

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

I think the world would be better off if more blogs just convinced schlubby internet nerds to shower regularly

Chaka Collar, lemme rock you (DJP), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

preppy styleblogs are God's revenge for all the people who hated Americana/workwear

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:19 (fourteen years ago)

i have a lot of love for OTT fancy pants menswear but this whole tumblr dude thing is totally a secret street-level marketing campaign for something called "drake's of london," purveyors of the finest neckwear in the world that i have never seen anyone wear ever anywhere besides the internet.

and telling men to dress better is one thing if the end result is that the aggregate level of well-dressedness is raised so that people say stop wearing flip flops. it's another to make getting dressed into another pointless obsessive snobbish internet thing. fashion magazines at least have this aura of fantasy around them, models prancing around in cucinelli. it's weird irl (or in pictures of irl).

adam, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:40 (fourteen years ago)

way otm, the cult of quality shit is pretty much the worst

i mean i'd like to think there is a way to instruct men how to improve their style without getting all snobbed up on craftsmanship, quality, privilege, bespoke, heritage, aspiration, class, etc, etc

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

it kind of starts and ends with "buy clothes that fit you"

Chaka Collar, lemme rock you (DJP), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:54 (fourteen years ago)

i mean please tell me, what the fuck is going on with this:

The Put This On Gentlemen's Association is a very serious members-only organization dedicated to the adornment of the jacket pocket. Every other month, you'll receive via US Mails a pocket square, hand made in Los Angeles exclusively for Association members.

How it works
Each of our fabrics is hand-selected by Put This On's Jesse Thorn - including vintage pieces, prints from the finest mills in the world and everything in between. Squares are cut and their edges rolled by hand in our Los Angeles atelier.

A member for one year can expect to develop a full wardrobe of squares - or to compliment the wardrobe he already has.

As an added benefit, if you join for a full year, you'll receive not just a handsome discount, but also a bonus white linen square, with our compliments.

Are you a man, or a gentleman? Join the Put This On Gentlemen's Association now.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

It is a gross but understandable attempt to give people a reason to pay money for videos they could watch for free.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:57 (fourteen years ago)

it's a very serious members-only organization, tho. deadly serious.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

also they have an atelier, which is way classier and more expensive than a workshop, because it's kinda french.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:00 (fourteen years ago)


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