Amazon Kindle (ebook thingy)

My analogy was sound - e-readers replace an emotional experience with a mechanical experience, so the image of a mechanical heart was perfectly apropos. Meanwhile, you were comparing ILX, a discussion board that can only be read electronically (thus offering no choice), to literature that is available in a variety of formats (choice). If I could read ILX in a book format, I would do so (though I still don't know if I would call it literature!)

I'm probably feeding the troll here, but that argument is so ridiculous.

you could print it, if you only had a heart

http://blog.bluewillowbookshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/32737-tin_man.jpg

My cousin has an artificial heart, I'll let her know she's no longer capable of emotional experiences.

i would definitely call ilx in any format literature

My analogy was sound - e-readers replace an emotional experience with a mechanical experience

they replcae a paper experience with a screen experience

f f s

My cousin has an artificial heart, I'll let her know she's no longer capable of emotional experiences.

― kinder, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Your abandonment of literature in its ideal format has apparently unable to discern the nuances of metaphorical writing. Good luck to your cousin!

"has apparently left you unable," I should say.

when metaphorical writing has nuance, it can be a delight

but only when

so fuckin tired of this argument

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 12 January 2012 09:31 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geir is back as a book nerd!

It's not like if you buy an ereader you are suddenly physically unable to use a book

i hate that kindle versions of my favorite books strip out all the good metaphors. replaced them w/ fucking kennings.

xp actual advert copy for first kindle iirc

i won't argue that there aren't pleasures available in physical copies of books that you don't have with digital copies. i will however argue that none of those pleasures have to do w/ emotions. unless u get turned on by the binding.

Also no way would I have been able to lug around the hardcopy Jobso biog for a week. Without an ereader edition I simply would not have read it.

like, i hate that you can't flip thru pages on the kindle to find something an undetermined number of pages back as easily as you can w/ a real book. i have not noticed any loss in the quality of alliteration between the two mediums, tho.

like, i hate that you can't flip thru pages on the kindle to find something an undetermined number of pages back as easily as you can w/ a real book.

This is why all my textbooks are actual books. Annotating on a Kindle is a pain in the arse.

Well I'm guessing Static Electricity doesn't carry his books around like a peasant anyway. He keeps them at home where they belong, on the spotlit, handcrafted book stand in the focal point of his drawing room.

Me admitting to hardly using a kindle touch = burning my entire book collection in a big fire, dancing around laughing, making an effigy of Shakespeare out of my library cards, forgetting how to ~love~

the day i bought my kindle i actually spat in yeats' face, just spat. right. in. his. cuntish. paperloving. face.

metaphorically

lol u ppl read

u laugh but just wait until you can carry around all ur snacks digitally

i don't use my eyes the kindle wifi's the knowledge directly to my memory without ever having experienced it

u laugh but just wait until you can carry around all ur snacks digitally

e-markers

always sort of suspect that people for whom physical interaction with paper and ink is more than window dressing don't actually read a lot, because if they did being able to get everything written before 1900 for free ten seconds after they think of the title would be blowing their minds way harder

u laugh but just wait until you can carry around all ur snacks digitally

― Mordy

otm

xp And they obviously don't read long heavy books for any length of time or on public transport.

All I can say is that the aesthetics, the conceptualization, the idea, and the practice of actually reading a book on an electronic device make me want to vomit. But go ahead and discard thousands of years of human experience and effort! Enjoy your carcinogenic e-leaflets on how to illegally download music instead of being a responsible adult! Have fun piecing together the scraps of recorded civilization once the electricity gets cut off!

i would definitely call ilx in any format literature

― markers, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:37 PM (18 minutes ago)

Sincere or joke, funniest post I've read in a long time.

this is my favorite new troll of 2012

xxp Is "All I can say" a nuance of metaphorical writing here or actually true?

always sort of suspect that people for whom physical interaction with paper and ink is more than window dressing don't actually read a lot

Okay, because I do at least 80% of my reading on ~devices~ now but I still enjoy the smell and feel of a well-crafted book. One doesn't eliminate the other. btw if your point is not quite that then I apologise.

oh yeah i love books! when i read them i compulsively smell the pages like once every five minutes. but that joy doesn't have anything to do with "literature".

But go ahead and discard thousands of years of human experience and effort

internet

this is my favorite new troll of 2012

he kinda reminds me of Vision from the Paglia thread

A book is a sacred object, a totem - an e-reader is plastic sold at a loss.

― Static Electricity, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:25 PM (34 minutes ago)

In the vast majority of cases, a book is paper sold at a loss.

actually one of the reasons i love e-readers is i can highlight in them without fucking up something as pretty as a book.

(you need a touch interface for this, tho; otherwise you're just pissing yourself off.)

i'm not anti-e-reader.
but i never read more than one book at a time. never really have, so i guess i don't think about bringing more than one book w/me

i have a box of books packed up for dropping off at my local library thanks to kindle fwiw

no doubt they'll end their lives at a bookkake party for luddite paper fetishists

i'm playing pozzo in my friend's backyard production of waiting for godot (sequel to his backyard production of the cherry orchard) and being his usual organized self he called about an hour before the first rehearsal and was like "sorry man do you have an actual copy of waiting for godot" and i was like no and he was like can you get one and i was like actually i can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Yg9wjctRw

oh man, probably so much easier to read lines off a kindle too. i had never considered that advantage.

oh man, probably so much easier to read do lines off a kindle too. i had never considered that advantage.

― Mordy, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fixed.

truth

kindles suck but not for any of these reasons

Amazon's arrogant as fuck. They are also willing to take a loss for a long time to increase market share. Scorched earth business style.

yeah when i evangelize for this stuff it's for e-readers in general, not for the kindle, which i have and like but which has all sorts of problems and will soon look unusably clunky. (mine already does.)

oh yeah i love books! when i read them i compulsively smell the pages like once every five minutes. but that joy doesn't have anything to do with "literature".

Yeah, people who eschew content for the 'experience' of reading a book. Too often those people will whip out a Dan Brown.