Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

so where is rooney going to go? without steve bruce in charge at sunderland it'll be a nightmare trying to shift him.

xps it certainly wasn't 'manc' against Chelsea

more xps I dunno, it's clearly being used in a positive sense by spurs fans and has become largely divorced from its former connotations (NB I'm largely unfamiliar with these tbh, but sense that it's never been the worst of words). It also strikes me as a good thing generally to have large-scale identification with minority groups, shallow as this example may be.

The problem with semantics like that is that it's also taken as a green light by some people to do the hissing thing, or to racially abuse Oldham players if you like. That's what's wrong with liverpool's belligerent stance this week - I've got some sympathy with Suarez' general position re word use (though must emphasise that that's only in general, and certainly not on these facts, on which I think the tribunal was right), but that's evidently not how the club's position has come across. In other words, these arguments are clever for individual cases and technicalities, but there's a broader test of not being a dick which ought to be much more important.

But what do you do? Ban words, or rigorously police a very difficult frontier?

spurs fans referring to themselves as yids is a long way from gas noises from opposition fans is a ways in itself imo from racial abuse of specific players

Spurs fans referring to themselves as yids is still troubling tbh but i'm pretty ignorant- in general, like

It's what they're trying to do in Scotland...

xpost

xp to ismael

Do you think that, out of it all, suarez came out of everything looking a lot better than lfc/dalglish? I think it's a possibility, as long as doubt remains over his intention & what was actually said during the incident (fwiw i think that doubt, however small, does exist)

Dalglish definitely came out of worst

out of it

came out of what, the incessant news articles?

If Suarez comes off less badly, it's probably going to be because whatever was said was said in the heat of the moment by a 24-year-old who has a long history of doing moronic things. Liverpool, as a club, and Dalglish as a manager, have a lot further to fall.

xps, i'd say the 'yids' thing is primarily problematic because it gives a green light to opposing fans to use it alongside abuse, even if it is in ignorance. At my school, which was in a largely Spurs-supporting area, people would write 'fuck the yids' on desks. That's not going to be interpreted by a Jewish kid in the same was as it might be by a Spurs fan, necessarily.

the incessant statements, interviews and press conferences

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the yids thing (and I see the merit in both sides of the argument to some extent) it's obviously and blatantly different to actually shouting racial abuse at a player. The latter is something I haven't actually seen that much of at WHL, although I've always mostly sat in either season ticket or membership areas where people might be a bit more careful. I've heard some pretty dodgy things said about Pedro Mendes and Lee Young Pyo but never outright direct racial abuse.

Liverpool are doing an amazing job of pissing a lot of early season goodwill up the wall. They've been pretty much despicable throughout this whole Surarez row.

There is absolutely no way that Suarez didn't say what he said in a deliberately abusive context and Liverpool look like cocks the more they try and pretend otherwise.

Did they decide that Sol Campbell swinging from a tree was a biblical reference and not a lynching one in the end?

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/105563-tom-adeyemi.html

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Darragh, many xps by now: that's a really good question. Suarez looks bad for lying and bad for giving an implausible explanation (subject to the possibility that the tribunal got it wrong, which is definitely possible but they were exemplary within their remit afaict). the abuse itself I can rationalise as heat-of-the-moment and who among us hasn't done things we've regretted? And yet - it so clearly fails the 'being a dick' test. But of course football's where you go to be a dick, which is a problem of its own. There's some personal mitigation, basically. We'll see how much it's merited in time I guess.

Dalglish I won't criticise for showing unqualified support because no Liverpool manager can respond any other way - well, Hodgson would have, and just imagine what would've ensued. But he's dead wrong in slating Evra personally and in any conspiracy talk. I find that very alienating. Barry Glendinning spoke about certain fans behaving like members of a cult led by Dalglish, and while all clubs are that to some extent, I can't join in very well particularly where it means ignoring reality. Then last night, which is an unfortunate and entirely predictable consequence. He's got a lot of damage to undo imo.

xpost it's almost as if you've....

no it can't be.

have you actually found some assholes... on the internet?

You know I'd almost think it was personal Ronan, because you only seem to react like this with me.

Did they decide that Sol Campbell swinging from a tree was a biblical reference and not a lynching one in the end?

― pandemic, Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:51 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or maybe a suicide reference, courtesy of people who were sufficiently gigantic arseholes not to care if anyone took it as a lynching reference

have you actually found some assholes... on the internet?

Tags aside there are a lot of people on the linked thread saying the abuser should be arrested, charged, banned for life from Anfield, etc. so they're not all assholes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDpO5Bu27fs

I didn't know about the Spurs/yids thing. Is it comparable to the Ajax supporters shouting and chanting 'Jews! Jews!' as some sort of collective identity, something to be proud of (or at least that is how they view it themselves)?

FFS COZ WTF NO

Krul of the filmers to put that on youtube xp

make sure to plump for the 480p option

Something tells me it's not going to be difficult for the authorities to track these guys down
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is this real life
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/futuresport/201201/ipitch-apple-prepares-bid-epl-tv-rights

as long as Bloodzeed isn't effected

lmbo at newcastle fan

james brown scored!

I bet he feels good etc

He knew that he would tbh

can't see scholes coming out retirement; getting one of your own legends back is a bit pathetic and desperate

ginola as cover for lennon

We could still get Robbie Fowler back. His second Anfield exile is now as long as his first.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/06/article-1325864359766-0F5C370F00000578-886663_466x608.jpg

he'd fit right in

He's just being a scouser, calm down.

that is an awesome costume btw; nailed the sweater

Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent. Like some modern day Faustian pact Everton has literally sold their soul to remain solvent.

can't argue that

nult has taken over

the Paul Scholes comeback thing was real?!

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'Wait is it Fleetwood Town or Yeovil playing tomorrow?' - FA Cup third round (and onward) 2012

http://static-voetbalzone.nl/images/photos/ori_280_210/913000830100609900.jpg

Van Persie met Maradona in Dubai, Maradona saying Van Persie "is an example for all great players" [/context]

In fairness I've never actually heard the Campbell song sung at the stadium due not not being insane enough to go to any game where he was playing.

While relatively upmarket, Yarm is notorious as a hangout for 'scrotes' - a slang term for young people - who go there for nights out, our source said. It is also a well known hangout for footballers.

stewart downing arrested on suspicion of assault?

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