Kenny Dalglish Won't Be Delivering the Module: English Premiership 2011-12

It's actually pretty decent. Had it a few times before the sponsorship deal kicked in, then i swore off it

Roo ok?!... They aren't even trying anymore are they? That is an unworthy Mirror headline if I ever saw one.

NN, had no idea you were actually serious about it being ManU's wine tbh o_O

BELIEVE

I mean it's ok, but why is it ManU's wine? El diablo Fergie?

red devils

Rooney and that mediocre wine too, feeling for u bro <3

Don't worry i'm not drinking it and i'm off to a party! Of course i usually just end up talking about Rooney at these things anyway

my pic was robbie fowler in blackface btw

xp Nae mind NN, party hard tbh! As long as you don't Roo-in it with the girls at the party.

I'd roo the day

and there we are:
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looks more like the sunburned scouser from the harry enfield episode where they went on holiday

poll: would you sacrifice football for the world to be rid of footballers & football fans?

no! and i hate football fans.

i suppose the cunts would be cunts wherever they were, but fuck me it's galling to share it with them sometimes

i feel the same way about everybody who Loves Music too

i definitely feel that way about motorists

I'm not suggesting the Oldham lad deserved it but if he was racially abused then it goes to show you that it doesn't really exist any more as he was shocked. So all this rubbish about racisim in football is just rubbish.

i think this broke my brain.

...and still it goes on:
https://twitter.com/#!/StanCollymore/status/155452935004893184/photo/1

Collymore's protecting his account now. The guy abusing him last night has apparently been reported to the police.

Not sure how workable it would be but it might be interesting to see a few clubs look at the possibility of barring people who engage in racist abuse on social media networks from matches, as they would if they did it inside the ground.

Multiple xps, i got a can of Ting in Sainsbury's this morning.

fwiw my mate who was in the away end for the recent league cup game at Stamford Bridge says precisely the same abuse was directed towards Chelsea's black players. I think it was just one guy shouting (it may even conceivably have been the same guy) but still

i've heard racist abuse everytime i've been to a prem game, only about 3 times but fwiw.

There does seem to be a convenient fiction built up over the last few years that racism is now confined to other leagues. The change from the late eighties to now has been unbelievable, though.

Out of interest, did Chelsea ever manage to stamp out the hissing when Spurs play?

I get to a game about once a year now and genuinely can't recall hearing any. That said, I've been going to games for thirty years now and I'm assuming that when it was prevalent I just didn't really notice it or think it worth consigning to memory.

Like I did pass two drunken, unrelated Spurs fans bellowing 'Yiddo! Yiddo!' in each other's faces on a night out a couple of weeks back, and I'm sure that wouldn't've particularly registered with me a few years ago.

All that said, my memory's a bit odd in that in a lot of scenarios I could rarely tell you for sure whether there's anyone else there at all, so ymmv.

enwright’s tenure appears to be a blueprint for oblivion. Over £50m wiped off the balance sheet; two failed ground moves (one to an iconic location the other to a supermarket car park); too many failed attempts to bring investment to the club; boardroom infighting, not to mention preventing angry shareholders from questioning the board through banning general meetings. Add to this ostracising the the local media when they dare to report the truth and conspiring to act against the fan base (confirmed in a series of leaked emails which recently cost a senior executive his job). Then, last but not least, the massive and mysterious £11m per annum increase in operating costs since 2007, which has been attributed to additional costs at the their new state of the art £1.1m per annum leased training ground. The many explanations for this have only served to increase suspicion that all is not what it seems at Goodison Park, particularly regarding the ownership which more and more people are questioning due to the presence of offshore companies and the ubiquitous Sir Philip Green.

Are they genuinely suggesting that Kenwright is telling everyone they see the dot in the wrong place and is pocketing 10m a year?

i find the whole "yiddo" thing weird and mostly pretty ugly, and associate it with aggressive horrible pubs or i guess white hart lane which is fairly grim itself.

when i went to upton park a few years back one guy called benayoun a "fackin egyptian cunt" repeatedly. is egyptian more offensive to an israeli than cunt?

ooops that was in reply to the finances of football thread, specifically this crazy article about everton:

http://www.itsroundanditswhite.co.uk/2012/01/06/evertons-blueprint-for-oblivion/

bleak picture, if it's all true

― I was otherwise very normal before I became (onimo), Saturday, 7 January 2012 11:29 (49 minutes ago)

https://twitter.com/#!/ADawsonBros/status/155554210723807232

Liverpool FC officials are desperate to identify the fans who racially abused Tom Adeyemi, so they know which names to print on the t-shirts

xxp, a lot of the kids my cousin plays FIFA with online have usernames like 'yiddo1997' or 'yidsfanenfield', etc. I get the impression that a large number of people using it, positively or negatively, are pretty ignorant about the origins of the term. It's clearly not the kind of thing anyone should be throwing around, particularly in that area of London, though.

Seen now in three or four different places the claim that was what was being shouted was "You Manc bastard" and it was either being aimed at Patrice Evra (because they were singing a song about how he's a lying, cheating blind cunt) or Adeyemi himself because "Oldham is in the borough of Manchester" (thanks to ourdave on Huffington Post UK for that one).

So, all a misunderstanding then. Again. Allegedly.

YOU just posted the conjecture you then replied to in the same post. seriously get a life!

i bet someone somewhere is saying that the oldham defender deserved it.

typical.

Exactly. How is shouting "You Manc bastard" at a guy from Norwich any worse than calling a Uruguayan feller a Scouse bastard?

In Liverpool "you manc bastard" is actually a term of affection etc etc

so where is rooney going to go? without steve bruce in charge at sunderland it'll be a nightmare trying to shift him.

xps it certainly wasn't 'manc' against Chelsea

more xps I dunno, it's clearly being used in a positive sense by spurs fans and has become largely divorced from its former connotations (NB I'm largely unfamiliar with these tbh, but sense that it's never been the worst of words). It also strikes me as a good thing generally to have large-scale identification with minority groups, shallow as this example may be.

The problem with semantics like that is that it's also taken as a green light by some people to do the hissing thing, or to racially abuse Oldham players if you like. That's what's wrong with liverpool's belligerent stance this week - I've got some sympathy with Suarez' general position re word use (though must emphasise that that's only in general, and certainly not on these facts, on which I think the tribunal was right), but that's evidently not how the club's position has come across. In other words, these arguments are clever for individual cases and technicalities, but there's a broader test of not being a dick which ought to be much more important.

But what do you do? Ban words, or rigorously police a very difficult frontier?

spurs fans referring to themselves as yids is a long way from gas noises from opposition fans is a ways in itself imo from racial abuse of specific players

Spurs fans referring to themselves as yids is still troubling tbh but i'm pretty ignorant- in general, like

It's what they're trying to do in Scotland...

xpost

xp to ismael

Do you think that, out of it all, suarez came out of everything looking a lot better than lfc/dalglish? I think it's a possibility, as long as doubt remains over his intention & what was actually said during the incident (fwiw i think that doubt, however small, does exist)

Dalglish definitely came out of worst

out of it

came out of what, the incessant news articles?

If Suarez comes off less badly, it's probably going to be because whatever was said was said in the heat of the moment by a 24-year-old who has a long history of doing moronic things. Liverpool, as a club, and Dalglish as a manager, have a lot further to fall.

xps, i'd say the 'yids' thing is primarily problematic because it gives a green light to opposing fans to use it alongside abuse, even if it is in ignorance. At my school, which was in a largely Spurs-supporting area, people would write 'fuck the yids' on desks. That's not going to be interpreted by a Jewish kid in the same was as it might be by a Spurs fan, necessarily.

the incessant statements, interviews and press conferences

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the yids thing (and I see the merit in both sides of the argument to some extent) it's obviously and blatantly different to actually shouting racial abuse at a player. The latter is something I haven't actually seen that much of at WHL, although I've always mostly sat in either season ticket or membership areas where people might be a bit more careful. I've heard some pretty dodgy things said about Pedro Mendes and Lee Young Pyo but never outright direct racial abuse.

Liverpool are doing an amazing job of pissing a lot of early season goodwill up the wall. They've been pretty much despicable throughout this whole Surarez row.

There is absolutely no way that Suarez didn't say what he said in a deliberately abusive context and Liverpool look like cocks the more they try and pretend otherwise.

Did they decide that Sol Campbell swinging from a tree was a biblical reference and not a lynching one in the end?

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/105563-tom-adeyemi.html

Thread is tagged as follows:

boys don't cry, cry wolf, fucking soft shite, holt and vinegar, puta holt to it, tears of a negrito, un libero whoppero, weeping tom

Darragh, many xps by now: that's a really good question. Suarez looks bad for lying and bad for giving an implausible explanation (subject to the possibility that the tribunal got it wrong, which is definitely possible but they were exemplary within their remit afaict). the abuse itself I can rationalise as heat-of-the-moment and who among us hasn't done things we've regretted? And yet - it so clearly fails the 'being a dick' test. But of course football's where you go to be a dick, which is a problem of its own. There's some personal mitigation, basically. We'll see how much it's merited in time I guess.

Dalglish I won't criticise for showing unqualified support because no Liverpool manager can respond any other way - well, Hodgson would have, and just imagine what would've ensued. But he's dead wrong in slating Evra personally and in any conspiracy talk. I find that very alienating. Barry Glendinning spoke about certain fans behaving like members of a cult led by Dalglish, and while all clubs are that to some extent, I can't join in very well particularly where it means ignoring reality. Then last night, which is an unfortunate and entirely predictable consequence. He's got a lot of damage to undo imo.