the GOP treats the fundies better than the Dems treat progressives!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
that's because they make up a substantial % of gop voters and (these days) gop politicians
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
yerp
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
because fundies have a lot of money.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
^^^this. how is this even debatable.
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit - they throw plenty of meat to the fundies (it's just that, of course, they always want MORE)
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit
which party are you talking about lololollzolzozlzolzzzz
― goole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/841000/841439_1281274003656.07res_450_300.jpg
"I want MOOOOOOOORRRRRE!"
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Bachmann’s OutBy Katrina TrinkoJanuary 4, 2012 11:58 A.M. Comments0West Des Moines, Iowa – Announcing the end of her presidential campaign, flanked by her family and close associates, Michele Bachmann made it clear that she had enjoyed the ride.
“I have no regrets. None whatsoever,” she said.
Explaining her decision, Bachmann said that Iowans had sent a message “with a very clear voice” last night.
She also made a plea for Republicans to unite around the eventual nominee. “I believe if we are going to repeal Obamacare, turn our country around, and take back our country, we must do so united,” she said. “And I believe that we must rally around the person that our country and our party and our people select to be that standard bearer.”
sorry, I think the 'fundie' pols are mostly poseurs, esp the gay ones.
I think we are thoroughly a bipartisan crazy-pro-Israeli circus.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
this isn't a 1-1 comparison, fundies outnumber progressives and if that weren't enough our electoral structures benefit them too
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
who knew Ariel was in Sisters of Mercy
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/1/4/11/enhanced-buzz-wide-5467-1325695972-36.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
u mans far right
aww man michele's gone. RIP lady whose pronunciation of the word "Obama" took nasal to previously undreamt-of sonic heights
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
ah, the backlash
who was president sterling?
xp
― goole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
Newt Gingrich is hitting back after Ron Paul called him a “chicken-hawk.”“What (Paul) just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he denies he wrote.”
“What (Paul) just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he denies he wrote.”
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
I do tend to laugh at how effective Gingrich's mean zings are.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
compared to what theyre continually promised the fundies get almost nothing, pro life stuff is incremental at best and Israel isnt a major or a primarily fundy concern, gop establishments been playing them for years
while the gop is for sure more solicitous, for demographic reasons mostly, of their less moderate members than the dems, if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image, both think their party is hopelessly defeatist and cowardly always giving into the well oiled tactically ingenious malevolent other party, and that they would surely win if they only stood up and fought for their true righteous views
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image
yeah this is definitely true
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/01/kevin-drums-peak-crazy-republican-presidential-poll-share-graph.html
i really like brad delong but man he's interpreting this absolutely backwards
― goole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Dem and Repug pols are sep'd mostly by rhetoric. They steer the ship together onto the beach.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
hmm ive never heard that point from you before morbs
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
pro life stuff is incremental at best
please don't minimize the actual effect that these "incremental" setbacks are having on real people's lives every day in states where abortion access is now hindered, limited, or, as in Kansas and elsewhere, effectively illegal
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
im not, just speaking as far as what they want
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
just like every progressive calls obamacare watered down
which btw is an area where you can't actually argue much party difference - these "incremental" setbacks are signed-off on by Democrats, who then talk about the rights the didn't sign away, which they then classify as gains - "we gave up x, but they wanted to take y!" which is just the saddest
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
they are actually getting what they want via incremental setback. that's the ground plan, it's the whole plan, there isn't any plan to REVERSE ROE V. WADE no matter how they talk, the plan is to gradually restrict access to abortion via local & state measures. the big game they talk translates into a series of plays down the field. these are the plays Democrats ought to be pushing back against, not some fantasy "they're going to appeal this case to the Supreme Court" scenario.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
otm!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
i understand that thats the hardcore pro life movers and shakers plan now, but its not what like yr average fundie voter wants, theyre still just all outlaw the murder of innocent babies and prob consider to the extent that theyre aware of it, this sort of compromise to be hopelessly corrupted by washington values etc
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
there are for sure all sorts of areas where the parties agree, recently both parties have figured out that most people dont want abortion illegal but dont really mind if its incrementally restricted, so they can stop fighting abt that - its p instructive as to the vile mechanisms of inter party cooperation
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
and they all like killing Muslems overseas.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
well i mean who doesnt
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
killing them over here not as fun
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
u might get blood on u
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Muslims don't have blood iirc
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
I think you underestimate the average anti-choicer's sophistication about this issue. They have been coordinating their game for a long time. I know they often sound dumb in comments threads or if news cameras catch them, and the temptation to succumb to caricature is heavy when we disagree so strongly with their beliefs, but they are about their fucking business & are not dumb. Carole Joffe's book Dispatches from the Abortion Wars is worth a read on this subject.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
yah i know their activist base is v on their grind, its just my contention that theres a larger group of fundies for whom this isnt necessarily their main issue who are not as dialed in or on board
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:44 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
*checks bible* oh damn u right
nah i think if anything cynical mnstrm republicans would love to have abortion as an issue to campaign on forever, the on the ground crazies really are the ones who are getting shit done in small incremental steps in places like north dakota. and i think abortion is still - despite all the stuff abt socialist big government death camps - the reason that there are so many political evangelicals
― sulks (Lamp), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
republicans can still campaign on abortion if they want! no ones stopping them
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think cynical mnstrm republicans exist to the same extent post-bush. if the GOP could make abortion 100% illegal across the country w/ no political consequences, would they? sure. but that's never going to be a possibility absent a huge shift in peoples' views on the subject. that being the case it's not that they're just toying w/ the voters, there genuinely isn't that much more they can do on the national level w/o a backlash.
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
even if abortion just disappeared as a subject there would still be a culture war to fight. there will always be a culture war sujet du jour.
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
idk according to many recent think pieces the culture war is no longer a trending topic
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
if anything cynical mnstrm republicans would love to have abortion as an issue to campaign on forever
have always thought this about the Democrats
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
not much thought in those pieces
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of culture wars, Sullivan's dug up a pleasant missive from Santorum's past:
http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=30
It is startling that those in the media and academia appear most disturbed by this aberrant behavior, since they have zealously promoted moral relativism by sanctioning "private" moral matters such as alternative lifestyles. Priests, like all of us, are affected by culture. When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While it is no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm.
Take it easy, media--it's Boston.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
lmao santorum even u can do better than that
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
next thing hell try to blame the fact that he brought a stillborn fetus home and cuddled it w/his family for a few hours on the gays
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link