2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

i thought there was a debate tonight?

TONIGHT @ 9. Suggest slogans here, e.g., HRC's Last Stand!

LOL @ the Onion's "War for the White House" graphic.

i guess if cnn ain't hosting it, they don't care to say anything about it

The Emperor of Ice-Cream

Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, and bid him whip
In kitchen cups concupiscent curds.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Take from the dresser of deal,
Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheet
On which she embroidered fantails once
And spread it so as to cover her face.
If her horny feet protrude, they come
To show how cold she is, and dumb.
Let the lamp affix its beam.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

yea it's msnbc, and you can stream it live from their website i think

That Wallace Stevens poem was supposed to be set in Key West, I think. Random trivia, but there it is.

wallace stevens opposes nationalized health care

and voted for Dewey and Eisenhower!

LOL @ MSNBC hyping this debate like an NFL Playoff Game: Tonight's Debate -- Obama v. Clinton -- Message v. Voice -- Which Will Win?

MSNBC was fun to watch in 2007 when everything was building up. Since the voting has begun, though, I feel icky just watching. They've completely lost control of themselves.

MSNBC is still my favorite of the cable news networks, but only because it has Keith Obermann, who I like, because he's bright, articulate and since he doesn't challenge any of my preexisting views.

Even Olbermann is becoming insufferable at times now. Why don't they just give Rachel Maddow her own show...like NOW?!

Yes, I like her too. She's bright, articulate and doesn't challenge any of my preexisting views.

i like them best cause when youve got mathews oberman and russert together in the same room its all kinds of delightful crazy self-regard bonanza

yeah, maddow is great. and olberman, who i have always loved, is really hard to take in big doses.

ho snap!

clinton: nooooo dont u understand healthcare is myyyyy thing

obama: yr a whiner lady

comcast took my msnbc away a couple months back and their website's WATCH DEBATE LIVE NOW STREAMING VIDEO HOO HAH is not working. Please keep my updated with the zings.

Don't worry about MSNBC's website. You can watch the debate on more obscure websites without bandwidth problems. I'm watching it from the website of the Zanesville Times Recorder:

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

I don't see how Clinton bitching about the media is going to change any minds.

Just tuned in. Has HRC been this defensive all along? "Before I start, let me say that over the course of the past few debates, I've consistently been asked to answer the tough questions first, see SNL for an accurate parody of this."

OH MY!

I've only vaguely paid attention, but she seems not terrible tonight - sober, serious, wonkish without being intellectual or using Senate-speak. The real Hillary. Show, don't tell.

her campaign manager said something similar yesterday daniel. "SNL is really putting the screws to you media types!" it was pretty wow.

And thanks a bunch for the link, Nathan!

also I like her suit < / sexism> tho I think it was probably the wrong thing to wear on Tyra

xpost - No problem.

BTW, does anyone think Clinton seems pretty angry right now? Obviously her campaign has had some problems with MSNBC, and throughout this she's been walking a thin line between forceful and pissed-off. It's a risky move.

LOL at HRC citing David Gergen for support.

Besides fighting for labor and environmental protections, how can any presidential candiate rail against or repeal NAFTA?

Man Obama is stealing Hillary's talking points left and right

hiiiiillary you were the first lady - that doesnt count as foreign policy experience gaaaaaaah

Obama sure seems in control of this debate, but maybe I'm not seeing enough of it.

theyre both looking pretty on point tonight

hillary is maybe reaching a tad

Obama's answer was excellent -- but bombing a sovereign nation w/out its leader's permission?

does tim russert think that he is running for president?

Obama is v. comfortable on these foreign policy questions, despite his much-touted "lack of experience."

im enjoying russert taking the role of iraq here

tim russert is winning this debate so far

GET OUT MY COUNTRY

tim russert drinks diet sunkist

tim russert is my new bicycle

nice Russert smackdown

BAD ANSWER, HRC. The whole point of Presidential campaigns is to consider hypotheticals.

http://www.freesqueeze.com/images/TimRussert.jpg

(I know Russert is a hit-and-run artist, but the way he set them up on that question was pretty masterful).

russerts gonna make them kiss the ring before the nights over

No. Look at her stare. HRC is sizing up Obama for the kill.

(OH, HAHA, I THOUGHT YOU SAID RUSSERT WOULD MAKE HRC/OBAMA KISS)

Yeah, I don't think Clinton's strategy of yelling a lot is going to draw many people to her camp.