TS: Godfather vs Godfather II

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ok, so why does michael have a black mark on his cheek for the 2nd half of the movie?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe its just time to clean my television screen

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Was this after the cop punched him?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yes , this is what i thought, but doesnt a whole of time go by when michael is hiding out in italy?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

His jaw never set back correctly.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, seems like an odd place to bruise, but that makes sense.

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer the first since it works as a stand-alone but II is possibly the best sequel ever (starts slow but has astonishing power by the end). As much as I love the catchphrases and moments that III gave everybody, it's embarassing that the thing exists.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Godfather II, if only for the Fredo breakdown scene in the conservatory.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

In Part I: the "I like to drink wine more than I used to..." part

In Part II: I always liked the end of Frankie Five Angels with Tom in the prison yard.

― Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M SMART!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, yeah. While Michael just ignores him.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

they're both great, but I prefer the second one. Deeper in every way. I like the scene in Miami when Hyman Roth asks Michael if he watches the baseball...not so much, Michael says. And the way Lee Strasberg has his leg over the arm of the chair.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

cozen is otm, wtf @ the plotting of II?

the deniro bits are straightforward enough. childlike, really.

but can anyone come out here and explain the rest of it?

there are two brothers michael is trying to shake down in vegas? and hyman roth is in cahoots with them, possibly? but hyman claims to be on michael's side?

they try to kill michael, and try to pin it on the old guy back from new york.

and then they try to kill that old guy, and tell him it's on michael's orders (this is confusing, because maybe it is michael!).

er, and at some undisclosed point the feds investigate the corleone family and they have to go to court.

i think i would have liked a godfather 1.5, in which vito and mo green (=bugsy siegel?) and hyman roth build up their empire of crime. i guess roth is coming out of chicago?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

they're both pretty overrated.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

II.

Brando's performance is mostly hammy crap. And if you ever see I in a theater, Diane Keaton's assorted hairstyles draw gales of laughter.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

morbius, what is the plot of II?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

i saw it last night. but seriously, what the fuck at the senate committee etc?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

JD OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

A man builds his family with murder, his son destroys it with murder.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point though, in fairness.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

i'd rather they made it about organized crime really -- roth, ie meyer lansky, would be a good subject for a biopic. if 'family' is the plot of 'GF2', why fanny about with cuba and the senate hearings &c?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point

Not compared to III!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

This is heretical, but fuck it: Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman, in which he parodied Don Corleone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

And Lee Strasberg is an ever bigger ham than Alex Rocco.

does "ham" mean "jew"?

kidding.

I loved Strasberg in 2, the scene where he's talking about Moe Green (Siegel), not getting a plaque and all that...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Alfred OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

"Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman"

right, but don corleone isn't a funny, warm, or human kinda guy.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

he's, you know, a crime lord.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but in the Paulie-from-Goodfellas friendly neighborhood don type of way. He was no Michael Corleone.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

but he loves his grandkids! and he's such a lovable crime lord!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

paulie is also a vicious psychopath -- they have paternal instincts, but if you go a few feet astray, they will definitely fuck you up.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Yes but they're presented in a different light, I mean in a manner where it's like, "Yeah, those guys deserved to be fucked up anyway."

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Don Corleone didn't have a Komodo dragon!

Coppola himself says he could've done a smarter, more polished job on the first one (much of which he shot under rumor of being imminently fired).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

i just like the first one a lot. i think the sinatra storyline is basically pointless, but it's a good crime saga.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

It's a fun Hollywood anecdote, if done better on SCTV with Candy as Johnny Pavarotti and John Marley as Leonard Bernstein.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Both of them are kind of only ok though, the first is good for how hot Al Pacino was back then though. I think the first is overblown and really hammy, and the second is a complete trainwreck.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, DeNiro didn't approach his later work in The Fan and Rocky and Bullwinkle.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

it took 30 years for jimmy caan to get round to 'elf'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Having a good performance in a movie /= making a good movie. Either DeNiro was completely and utterly unnecessary to that film, or the majority of the rest of the film was completely unnecessary. Hence "train wreck".

Also, his performance in the film is overrated anyway! Oh noes, DeNiro learnt Eyetalian!!! Oh noes! FILM OF TEH YEAR! etc. If he learnt Eyetalian, got fat, and shaved a mohawk into his head, now you'd be talking.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I'm sure the performances in the new King Kong might very well be pretty great but if the script they're all working from resembles pudding, well, you're still fucked.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

I think he may never equalled his perf in GPII; Pacino either. The only bum scene I can recall is that shrill Diane K abortion-confession screech. Duvall, Cazale, Strasberg, Michael V Gazzo, all great.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I like Duvall in just about anything. But he and Gordon Parks aren't enough to get me to watch this stuff.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I think II is better because it retroactively makes I better. It deepens the story on both ends.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I've never like Deniro in anything

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

That Diane Keaton scene is unbearable.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

both of these movie rule you maniacs

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Not even in Meet the Parents?

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Either DeNiro was completely and utterly unnecessary to that film, or the majority of the rest of the film was completely unnecessary.

"completely and utterly," eh?

No, it wasn't "necessary," but Coppola's triumph (and Mario Puzo's too, i guess) is that they deepen this pulp with a flashback that's no hazy romanticization of the Corleone family, but a clearheaded explanation of how this family sunk their meathooks into the New World.

No scene moves me more in GFII than the one in which young Vito, alone in a dank Ellis Island room, sings a half-remembered tune in this angelic voice, his back to the camera. Unnecessary, yes, but haunting.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Unnecessary: adj., opposite of necessary.

Alfred, if you want to respond to the entirety of what I wrote, which is that one or the other part of the movie was unnecessary and that having BOTH is what constitutes train wreck status, that would be nice. I'd prefer it if they left out almost all of the "modern day" crap!

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

1959-60 isn't all that modern.

gabb, you mean Gordon Willis not Parks yes? II is one of the great 'underlit' American films. Gimme gimme gimme my dark, well-upholstered interiors.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

the first one I can sit down and enjoy in much the same way as I can enjoy any of the Man With No Name westerns. Like you got all this incredibly overcooked art-directed-to-death scenery and half the cast is gnawing on it like crazy and the other half is staring at them like "I don't understand the language of these ridiculous people from the Unstoic Lands. It must be because I have the largest and steeliest balls ever filmed." Then the musical score comes and kicks you in the head three or four times. You know, good hangover movies.

The second one I kept waiting for the cops to show up and violently bust everyone. Kung-fu cops. I couldn't figure out what the fuckin' point of that shit was at all.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

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"I am not resigning," Johnson said defiantly at a news conference Tuesday, calling the threat "absurd" as Republicans are "trying to do their job." "We need steady leadership. We need steady hands on the wheel," he said. "Look, I regard myself as a wartime speaker."

If he were a wartime speaker, a Sicilian, they wouldn't be in this shape.

― clemenza, Thursday, 18 April 2024 16:44 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

“Barzini's dead. So is Philip Tattaglia. Moe Greene, Strachi, Cuneo.”

― calstars, Monday, 20 January 2025 15:33 (one year ago)

Not sure if your post is hooked into the news of the day, but if so, this is the one for today:

"I don't fell I have to wipe everyone out, Tom--just my enemies."

― clemenza, Monday, 20 January 2025 17:20 (one year ago)

(Typo belongs to the Godfather transcript site, not me!)

― clemenza, Monday, 20 January 2025 17:24 (one year ago)

“I know English! Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Sunday Saturday”

― calstars, Tuesday, 21 January 2025 23:09 (one year ago)

five months pass...

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― jaymc, Thursday, 10 July 2025 01:51 (ten months ago)

one month passes...

Rewatching II today

DeNiro/Young Vito’s brown coat w upturned collar & baggy cap outfit is so good

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:15 (nine months ago)

Also Michael should have checked NO on Anthony’s drawing & left it on his pillow with a note WHEN HAVE I WORN A FUCKING HAT

https://www.replicapropstore.com/cdn/shop/products/20210122153705858_1024x1024.png?v=1612278966

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:21 (nine months ago)

"Jesus, Anthony--you make me look like that guy from Breaking Bad."

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:24 (nine months ago)

am i some kind of clown to you?

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:27 (nine months ago)

Wait, but Michael totally does wear a hat like that

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:30 (nine months ago)

He does wear a fedora, doesn't he?

https://i.postimg.cc/FF2Lt8pm/hat.jpg

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:52 (nine months ago)

my joke works better if you all dont fact-check me

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:25 (nine months ago)

I was with you 100% at first; I glanced over to the spectator gallery and saw my long-lost brother from Sicily, at which point I folded like a cheap suit.

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:33 (nine months ago)

lol <3

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:49 (nine months ago)

clemenza five-angels

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:50 (nine months ago)

five months pass...

One by one, our old friends are gone--of the principals, just Pacino and Shire left, I think.

― clemenza, Monday, 16 February 2026 22:28 (three months ago)

De Niro too

― jmm, Monday, 16 February 2026 22:55 (three months ago)

Duh--was focussed on the American family.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 17 February 2026 00:38 (three months ago)

one month passes...

I've got CNN on in the other room, and whoever's on just drew the perfect analogy to Trump showing up at the Supreme Court today: Michael at the Senate hearing when Pentangeli testifies. Did he have one of the Justice's siblings sitting next to him by any chance?

https://i.postimg.cc/zfspVfFz/pentangeli.jpg

― clemenza, Thursday, 2 April 2026 05:19 (two months ago)

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