i'm the same way though, sadly. dr morbz' nightmare american film fan. when was the last time i watched a fassbinder movie? 20+ years? something like that.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
All That Heaven Allows
US (1955): Drama 89 min, No rating, Color, Available on videocassette
A trashy love story about the attraction between a natural man (Rock Hudson, as a New England tree surgeon) and a frustrated-by-respectability rich widow (Jane Wyman) who is some fifteen years older than he and has two grown children. Hudson and Wyman are hardly an electric combination, but this Ross Hunter production is made with so much symbolism that some people actually see it as allegorical. Its reputation derives from the slurpy, peculiarly glossy intensity of Douglas Sirk's direction-the same sort of pop spirituality that he had brought to Ross Hunter's MAGNIFICENT OBSESSION, with the same two stars, the year before. Sirk's blend of Germanic kitsch and Hollywood kitsch was a major influence on the young German director Fassbinder, whose work is a further formalization of Sirk's schematic sentimentality.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:22 (fourteen years ago)
Did she ever review (or mention) Tarkovsky? I think she missed him too.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago)
Did she ever change her mind about anything in later life and realized that she had missed something, for instance see that Douglas Sirk had a little more than just "a talent for whipping up sour, stylized soap operas in posh settings"? Oh wait, she couldn't since she never watched anything more than once, or has that been debunked?
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:36 (fourteen years ago)
"a talent for whipping up sour, stylized soap operas in posh settings" isn't wrong though!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:37 (fourteen years ago)
It's not wrong, but it's kind of damning with faint praise.
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:38 (fourteen years ago)
Tarkovsky and Fassbinder both tiresome bores
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:40 (fourteen years ago)
granted the only Fassbinder I've tried to watch was Berlin Alexanderplantz
that's deep, Shakes.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:41 (fourteen years ago)
at least they're both dead
― buzza, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.inspiredcardandgift.co.uk/images/graphiccontribution.jpg
― omar little, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
The strawman awakes
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:43 (fourteen years ago)
all that heaven allows is a very weird movie. jane wyman bums me out in a big way. blah.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
do guys really want me to go in on Berlin Alexanderplantz cuz I will
xp
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
when was the last time anyone watched a lina wertmuller movie?
I didn't get past the third episode but he's got 15,000 other movies in every genre, so man the fuck up and start watching.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:45 (fourteen years ago)
heck, when was the last time someone watched a roberto rossellini movie? actually i could kinda go for one right about now. he made so many movies that i've never seen.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
You might actually like World on a Wire, Shakey. It's got some Jerry Cornelius stuff going on.
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
Not really, but you still might like it.
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:48 (fourteen years ago)
Shakey really raising rongness to new heights lately.
Lotsa people watched Rossellini after reading this:
http://www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/review/roberto-rossellinis-war-trilogy/1653
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:49 (fourteen years ago)
looks like World on a Wire is not available in the US...?
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:50 (fourteen years ago)
i think i have still never seen any rossellini films
shakey it just had a theatrical run in certain cities (its first US one, i think? it was made-for-tv), i imagine criterion will be putting it out soon since janus distro'ed it
― vitameatawalloginavegamin (donna rouge), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
Too bad you're not Jonathan Rosenbaum, Shakey.
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
i would buy that war trilogy set if i ever saw one. i doubt i'll see one around here anywhere, but you never know. i might have to go to the dreaded newbury comix in northampton.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 18:58 (fourteen years ago)
I watched Germany Year Zero a few years back and was bummed out for days.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:04 (fourteen years ago)
Did she ever change her mind about anything in later life and realized that she had missed something,
offhand i can't think of a notable example mentioned in the bio. maybe. she placed tremendous importance & pride on only seeing movies once, tho
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
did any of her interviewers ask her about this?
― mark s, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:38 (fourteen years ago)
there's something in afterglow about it
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)
she says in 'raising kane' that she liked 'kane' much more on a second viewing (this was three decades later, of course).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)
controversial!
― mark s, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:26 (fourteen years ago)
kael's dependence on her immediate gut reactions reminds me of the famous story about columbia pix president harry cohn & citizen kane screenwriter herman mankiewicz
Cohn started the conversation with: "Last night I saw the lousiest picture I've seen in years." After mentioning the title, one producer reported that he had seen it with an audience and they had loved it. He suggested that maybe Cohn would have had a different reaction if he had seen it with an audience. Cohn replied, "That doesn't make any difference. When I'm alone in a projection room, I have a foolproof device for judging whether a picture is good or bad. If my fanny squirms, it's bad. If my fanny doesn't squirm, it's good. It's as simple as that." There was a momentary silence, which was broken by Mankiewicz. "Imagine," he said to the other members of the table. "The whole world wired to Harry Cohn's ass!"
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
I think I read that this was the film whose dreadfulness made her throw in the towel in '91:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102004/
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 November 2011 07:45 (fourteen years ago)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4axKyzyUrw
― Cory! Cori! Coré! (buzza), Sunday, 13 November 2011 09:06 (fourteen years ago)
Lem Dobbs -- screenwriter of the Kael-killing film Morbs links to there -- is also (a) son of the proto-PopArt painter R. B. Kitaj; (b) a respected British film historian; and (c) screenwriter of three Soderburgh projects (Kafka, The Limey and Haywire). Kafka was made the same year as the Kael-killer -- I have it on VHS, but never watched it beyond a quick scan, as a lot of it's too dark (as in light-lacking) to screen well on a TV, and I always lose patience. Aggravating thread-derail ends.
― mark s, Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:34 (fourteen years ago)
From Francis Davis' interview that became Afterglow:
FD: I assume that the Parkinson’s was the reason you retired from The New Yorker.
PK: That, plus the fact that I suddenly couldn’t say anything about some of the movies. They were just so terrible, and I’d already written about so many terrible movies. I love writing about movies when I can discover something in them—when I can get something out of them that I can share with people. The week I quit, I hadn’t planned on it. But I wrote up a couple of movies, and I read what I’d written, and it was just incredibly depressing. I thought, I’ve got nothing to share from this.
One of them was of that movie with Woody Allen and Bette Midler, Scenes from a Mall. I couldn’t write another bad review of Bette Midler. I’d already panned her in Beaches. How can you go on panning people in picture after picture when you know they were great just a few years before? You have so much emotional investment in praising people that when you have to pan the same people a few years later it tears your spirits apart. And Woody Allen didn’t deserve to be as bad as he was in Scenes from a Mall. I don’t feel great enthusiasm about his recent movies, but I thought parts of Husbands and Wives were quite stunning. I loved Judy Davis. But nothing of his that I’ve seen since has really excited me. You can’t explain some of these things, except that it’s the wrong material, the wrong costars, everything goes wrong in a movie when something goes wrong, and it’s just too damn depressing to spend your life writing about that.
― da croupier, Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:17 (fourteen years ago)
Plus Mall was a Paul Mazursky film, and she loved him too
― da croupier, Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:20 (fourteen years ago)
J-Ros reviews Hoberman's 60s book and has something to say about PK: http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/?p=26674
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 13 November 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
Shouldn't Rosenbaum at least mention in passing that he once co-authored a book with Hoberman (Midnight Movies, a good one)? Unless I missed it.
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 November 2011 17:43 (fourteen years ago)
Emerson on Kael and criticism's evaluating technique, which then spreads into that Taylor essay.
― encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:51 (fourteen years ago)
can anyone imagine Kael reviewing an Apichatpong film?
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 01:59 (fourteen years ago)
Some good points in that essay -- more than I want to defend here, to be honest -- but anyone who's read Kael's evaluations of, say, Ophuls or Bunuel will get the discussion of "mise en scene" that Emerson implies she avoided.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 02:32 (fourteen years ago)
Besides this Self-Styled Siren post and its comments section (both of which allude to Jim Emerson) addresses all this.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 02:34 (fourteen years ago)
Excellent:
http://www.filmlinc.com/film-comment/article/pauline-kael-a-life-in-the-dark-review-extended
I finished the bio a couple of nights ago. M. Coleman's B+ upthread is fair--I liked it more than that, but you do have to have a tolerance for a lot of review excerpts/summaries once she lands at The New Yorker. I didn't mind that--as all those famous '70s movies that have become associated with her appear one after another, they write a parallel story of their own. I think it's as balanced as could be hoped for from a fan--and wouldn't want to read if he weren't. Like Lopate, I found the end of the story sad. I hope Sarris is well enough (and has the inclination) to write about it somewhere. I'm really curious as to whether he'd take a step back from the harshness of his obituary
― clemenza, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:06 (fourteen years ago)
well, she gave up men by 40 -- sounds like some people on other threads.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 04:56 (fourteen years ago)
“As Gina often pointed out, Pauline liked to be surrounded by people whose feelings about the arts and politics were close to her own. She often told friends that she found it difficult to form a close bond with someone who disagreed with her about more than three movies.”
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:06 (fourteen years ago)
and thus her friends began obsessively to keep ledgers
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:07 (fourteen years ago)
The paradox was that someone who had such quick access to her emotional responses could be so clueless about her effect on others
― Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)
One of the funniest anecdotes in the book is where Nixon confirms to Peter Bogdanovich (as Kael speculated he would in her review) that he liked The Last Picture Show. I don't have the book with me, but it's something like, "Black and white? Texas? I did like that!"
― clemenza, Friday, 18 November 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
Apparently he shocked Boggo and Cybil Shepherd by speaking knowledgeably about the movie for a few minutes. Then he turned to Shepherd. "Who were you?"
"I was the one who took her clothes off, Mr. President."
Awkward pause. "You have a brilliant career ahead of you" (or something)
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
yes that was Bog's account. "I remember you very well Miss Shepherd" lol Dick
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)