Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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is Dick Cheney still on vacation?

also, apparently the "Freedom Walk"/Pro-War Rally is still on!

why did Americans in the South vote in such a Clown as Bush?

remember everything that me and plenty others here and elsewhere about how people aren't all that rational in their voting patterns, that narratives("bush is a strong silent, man-of-the-people-on-his-ranch") matter far more than actual reality? or, that "facts don't trump frameworks," as George Lakoff once wrote?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Altho, in all of this, Clinton said something once as a ray of hope:

"There's nothing wrong about America that can't be fixed by what's right about America."

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Bush's photo-op/back-slapping w/Coast Guard (paraphrasing):

"Imagine the Gulf Coast obliterated by the worst weapon imaginable."

No, that would be nuclear weapons, which you... ah, nevermind.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I know I'm just venting at this point but we have half a mind to head down there ourselves loaded with supplies this weekend, because it's pretty fucking obvious that no one in the government went on, like, Yahoo! Maps and got directions to New Orleans or Biloxi, cos they ain't getting near it. Maybe they got their directions from Google Maps, those ones were confusin looking.

I tried to volunteer for the Capital City Area Red Cross for volunteer work in Katrina just now and the site's not even coming up at times. When I finally got to the page for signing up, they had some sort of error and the online form I filled out with my contact info didn't go through. I tried twice more and it still faltered. Fuck. I'll have to try it again later today, if it's working. I can't get through on the phone, either, and I haven't found information as to where the office is.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

The cycles of history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

the u.s. in this sense has zero social capital.

yeah well, again, the ruling conservative ideology doesn't believe in social capital. They don't believe in much of anything with the words "social" or "public" in them. The whole idea of the social contract -- which is arguably one of the two or three most important ideas underpinning democratic self-government -- is in their view part of the "problem." This is already showing up in the right-wing commentary: the problem isn't government's failure to respond, it's peoples' expectation that government will respond. The answer is not more or better government, it's less and worse government, to teach people not to be so "dependent."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost gypsy: i would make one addendum re social capital - the right bemoans the loss of social capital (Robert Putnam, Bowling Alone) while simultaneously dismantling the very structures that maintain vibrant civil society (I can't forget how Putnam asserted that people all of the sudden "stopped" joining unions, completely denying the impact of Taft-Hartley and unionbusting ramp-ups as evidence of this trend toward atomized society).

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/highacidity/bathtub.jpg

deej.., Friday, 2 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

oh man

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

responding to tangent time:

Stepping aside from Katrina specifically for a moment:

Y'all think *I* do that?

yes. i'm pretty sure if i searched on your posts that were reposts of his posts, i'd have quite a few results. don't take it the wrong way, i know why you're fascinated by him, but at the end of the day it's something that i can't really understand or share. i mean, the guy is clearly a douche, even after reading him for a little bit. can it really be that much of a revelation at this point that he's going to contradict himself, badly?

What about all the feebs who watch him and nod their head approvingly even when he slips up, self-contradicts, begs forgiveness? *They're* the ones I'm worried about, and they're why I want to see what the mouthpieces say.

i honestly don't think they matter. i'm not sure there's that many of them, either.

but that said, i'm just pointing it out to point it out, as hopefully constructive criticism, not cuz i like hate ya or nothing. that's all.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

BBC are reporting choppers are dumping boxes of water, and food rashings in a car park.

No officials on the ground, so it's just young men who fight to get the food.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever thrown a piece of bread into a coi pond?

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

don't eat those food rashings anyway, you'll get a rash.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

i honestly don't think they matter. i'm not sure there's that many of them, either.

What matters, I think, is that regardless of the exact amount more than a few are in more than a few positions of power these days. Tuning into that wavelength is an eerie fascination, I admit. But we could debate this into the ground.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Ted Koppel grilling Head FEMA Fuckhead

You guys, something is happening.

Ted Koppel, Joe Scarborough, NRO, Cafferty, Anderson Coopers, Robert Siegel on NPR grilling Chertof, fucking PAULA ZAHN getting pissed off, etc. Something is happening here. Please Christ let the deaths of thousands of Americans have at least the effect of shaking up the complacency of everyone else.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Of course, the personality defects of many of those who got us into this mess will also prevent them from learning anything from it, or even recognizing that it's a problem...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

which is why we can only hope that people wake up to what utter, utter fucktards they are, and hound them out of office with pointy sticks and flaming torches.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

If I were down there I'd probably be walking around in a daze asking for my Pop-Tarts.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

There's an interesting comment at the end of the Koppel thing that kingfish linked:

NOTE: One quote caught my ear but I didn't quite focus on it. I've played it again and Brown is laying the groundwork for putting the blame on LA's governor. (It must be a Fox News talking point; my dad made the same argument earlier.)

Brown of FEMA: We work closely with the state government. The federal government didn not just come in here and tell the state governor how or what to do. We came in here and said, 'What do you want us to do? We will help you.' We are now taking it upon ourselves to do what we think needs to be done. And we will continue to do that.

Translation: LA's Democratic governnor screwed things up royally and now we're cleaning up her mess and taking charge.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Somehow I don't think that'll take root, except with Republican cheerleaders.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh good, it will only take root with the majority of the media then.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

these guys deserve a medal!

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

Somehow I don't think that'll take root, except with Republican cheerleaders.

still, it's always good to identify and point out the Talking Point when it begins.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

like, i thought of donating, then i thought, thats weird! i cant donate to america! its the richest country in the world, what an absurd concept! then i snapped out of it and just fucking did it. but that initial rection is sort of symptomatic of my problems with understanding this.

Last night on PRI's The World radio show, they asked a BBC reporter how we was reporting the story to the UK and other countries that was different from how it was being reported in the US. He said the most notable difference was having to explain how it was that the wealthiest country in the world wasn't able to deal with a disaster like this.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Bush on CNN just now:

"We got a lot of rebuilding to do.... the good news is and it's hard for some to see it now but out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic gulf coast... out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- the guy lost his entire house -- there's going to be fantastic house. I look forward to sitting on the porch. Out of New Orleans is going to come that great city again."

Glad Trent is going to be taken care of.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, he DOES matter more than the entire city of New Orleans, please. He also matters much more than anyone else in Biloxi and Gulfport and the entire coast. How dare you suggest otherwise you commie pinko.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

on the only news I watched yesterday, KCAL-9 has a reporter in a suburb of New Orleans and the anchors asked him about Bush's plan to come to see the damage, if he would be on the ground, and the guy's response was something along the lines of, "That's something you'd like to think the President would do, yeah".

Take the ball, run with it!

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

What Bush is not directly saying there is that Trent Lott's new house will take up the entirety of the space that New Orleans used to occupy. I mean, you gotta admit, that would be a fantastic house.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

He'd get his own episode of Cribs and everything.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

jeez Bushco is practically handing over the rope and grunting and pointing to their own necks and gesturing maniacally in the direction of a gallows.

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

A gigantic house the size of New Orleans would be pretty fucking sweet.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

W. meeting with noble negros on CNN now!

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

I frequently like to imagine Bush as a president around the time just after the industrial revolution and thinking of Americans as coal miners and steel workers working for low wages and no benefits... Thinking about how history will represent the things he says in 100 years..

Trent Lott will have a fantastic house, indeed.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

holy shit. buddy tells me that even (some?)(a few?) of the rightwing radio wackos have broken ranks and are going off on El Doofus. Fuck Rush & hannity, they'll never voluntarily change their tune, but can somebody tell me what folks like G Gordon Liddy, Olliver North & Dr Laura are saying today? Ned?

you guys, something is happening.

xpost: Is he shaking the negro's hands and smiling? or he looking "somber"?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Is he re-enacting "Tom Cruise meets Oprah"?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, though, is this our actual government? Or is this some kind of Wag The Dog made up scenario being shown on tv that didn't actually happen? Because, like, this can't actually BE our government. Right?

Now if you don't mind I have to go meet Condi for martinis and a trip to Kate Spade.

xpost Bush is going to be remembered exactly like I just said. WHAT THE FUCK WAS ANYONE THINKING, WAS IT A PRACTICAL JOKE?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

On the peak oil front, more good news! (got this from a friend on another board, don't know the source, but I tend to believe it)

"As a result of Katrina, Saudi Arabia has finally admitted that it cannot increase (oil) production. Many of us knew they’ve been lying for at least two years. The Energy Information Administration has just admitted that global demand has been outstripping supply for several months before Katrina. Nice time to start telling the truth. Nature is finally calling everybody’s bluff.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

FOR FUCK'S SAKE THE GUY JUST SAID "I CAN'T WAIT TO HANG OUT AT TRENT LOTT'S SURE-TO-BE-AWESOME NEW PAD'! HE SINGLED OUT TRENT LOTT, THE GUY'S NOT EVEN SMART ENOUGH TO FIND OUT THE NAME OF (INSERT TOKEN NEW ORLEANS CITIZEN-HERO) AND USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Bush is going to be remembered exactly like I just said. WHAT THE FUCK WAS ANYONE THINKING, WAS IT A PRACTICAL JOKE?

OTM. Somewhere in the afterlife, Harding is dancing a jig with a big cake-eating grin on his face while singing "Finally" by CeCe Peniston.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Well don't you wanna hang out at Trent's???? I mean it's gonna be fantastic!!! I know I wanna go.

The source for this is my mom but she doesn't DO anything besides watch news all day so I believe her, Bush is trying to be all nice to some young girls in Biloxi, asked why don't they go to the Salvation Army Shelter, it's right down the street. To which some dude stepped in and was like, "It ain't THERE. It's GONE."

She reports Bush as looking "annoyed".

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

That news item that keeps coming up about the report ages ago, before 9/11, about the three most catastrophic things that could happen on US soil is making me worried for San Fran, because I mean apparently god is on a mission to show BushCo up or something, 2 outta 3 during one administration is kind of odd.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Haha I was thinking that too! I've got friends who just bought a house near SF and I want to send them an email that says "FLEE GOD'S WRATH AT THE RAMPANT BUSHUBRIS".

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

making me worried for San Fran

Don't worry. That won't happen until late summer in the first year of Bush's third term.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I read this three times as:
"mission to show BushCoup"

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

"To the San Andreas Fault I say, 'Bring it on.'"

*applause*

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

She reports Bush as looking "annoyed".

HE DOES! It's like he's not even trying!

"I know, I know..."

--G. W. Bush, President, in response to a distrought creole woman.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

NEW ORLEANS -- A bored-looking President Bush toured flood ravaged New Orleans Friday, etc

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

You'd be annoyed too if you had to cut your vacation short to look at poor people who can't swim.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

They can't swim or they simply choose not to?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

can't / won't .. we've already spent too much time talking about poor people.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

They're black, they can't swim!

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)


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