I'd like to use Linux but...

Prob hold out for Insane Iguana or Jeering Jackal myself.

I hear that Kinky Kangaroo is going to have some way hep features tho.

This is beginning to sound like an awesome Saturday morning cartoon show.

I'd like to use Linux but...

I used the standard update-tool to update from Gutsy Gibbon to Hardy Heron.
Near the end of the process it stopped doing anything.
Now it won't boot.
Good times. Guess I'll reinstall the whole damn thing. I won't really lose anything, so it's not that bad, but pretty damn disappointing nevertheless.

Fuck a Linux. RHELL amirite???

Last straw. Chucking Ubuntu completely and buying a mac. Will continue to be fucking useless until they get their shit together.

I'd like to use Linux but... it has decided to FORGET HOW TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET IT CAN'T BE THAT FUCKING DIFFICULT U MANAGED IT BEFORE FUCKING UBUNTU

you're joking, right? Autumn "MR UBUNTU" Almanac?? xp

no I'm not joking, so much is wrong with hardy that it's rapidly becoming unuseable.

Go back to Gutsy, for God's sake! I never even updated and my ride's been smoother than smooth.

Gutsy had the laptop lid closing problem which Hardy still has. Feisty was great but there's stuff it doesn't do very well. I have given up and am buying a mac.

I am stunned.

I am aggrieved.

although vista is seriously precisely 983279238749238749234 times worse so at least there's that.

Thomas, are you dual-booting w/Windows on the same machine? Are you connecting to internet router by ethernet? Might you have used Windows between internets working and internets not working in Linux?

If YES to these many questions, check that Wake On LAN is enabled in Windows, as Windows disables some network cards on shutdown, and whereas Windows startup re-enables them Linux startup doesn't. I had this!

Then I installed some ubuntu updates and networking was stuffed again and no amount of manual setup worked in the normal mode, I have to go into whatever the Linux equivalent of safemode is called and then set up the networking manually and start X all still in emergency boot mode, so if you work it out I'd love to know. Grmbl.

(I have onboard ethernet by Realtek, I forget the model number and it's turned off now so I can't ask it, RTL 8somethingE)

Adam does yr eee still only get a couple hours? What OS you got on it? Nick has XP on his new one and using standby now and then he says he's gotten all day on the thing, even playing music and whatnot on it.

yes, dual booting. but using USB ADSL modem.

was trying to pursuade the wireless card to act as an AP, and think I might have screwed something up there. but its not obvious, and always expects you to know which bloody file the settings are kept in and what the command was again that gives you access to write to that file and and and I give up and go back to windows.

Trayce: yeah, maybe 3-4 with wireless off. I've not timed it recently. The new ones from most manufacturers get 6-8.

Yeah its the new larger-screen one N has now, he upgraded. Think he's still using XP on it same as before. Not sure.

Congrats on choosing Mac. You will not regret it. Fuck Linux.

I think the iphone experience tipped me over the edge.

All desktop Linux can suck my nuts.

flabbergasted

Everything is progressing at an impressive rate, then suddenly everyone at once decides that near enough is good enough and stops fixing bugs. Wank.

An actual gameshow I saw in Vietnam a few days ago

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/vzbx/IMGP3896.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj58/vzbx/IMGP3883.jpg

Yes, they are dressed as fruit. No, I do not know why.

In Soviet America, Linux uses you.

Ubuntu 8.10 still doesn't know how to turn off laptop lods. That and Shuttleworth saying he'll stop bankrolling desktop linux means I might as well just fucking go back to winblows.

Intrepid is good so far. Definitely slower. Also, the laptop lid problem remains and nobody gives a shit about it. Perhaps I should update bug #1.

I was really hoping they were going to go with Ipecac Iguana.

Fedora 10 out yesterday ... Plymouth is a good idea. It's just an animated boot-up screen, but I think it's the closest Linux has come to a boot-up process that doesn't overwhelm the casual user with checks and daemons and inits and all that.

The animation is very nice, but you'd hope it doesn't affect booting time.

Also, Ubuntu started masking the daemons/inits list years ago.

that's the first thing i turn back on, i like to see what's happening 8)

(usually because my laptop usually stops at the acpi checks until i add acpi=off to the boot params)

usually usually

Video still pauses regularly, right-click in Firefox still does random things and pulseaudio is still worse than useless. Did I say Intrepid is better than Hardy? I WAS LYING.

it's the closest Linux has come to a boot-up process that doesn't overwhelm the casual user with checks and daemons and inits and all that

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Ubuntu started masking the daemons/inits list years ago.

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that's the first thing i turn back on, i like to see what's happening 8)

For real. I'm starting to think (like some snarky ppl upthread) that there are no "casual" users of Linux, not even Ubuntu. There are those that have computers that they know how to diagnose and (possibly) fix, and then there are those who have broken machines, and any user is moving quickly toward one of those extremes.

I don't know know all of what that text output is telling me when it boots, but I do know the last thing it says before it locks up, and being able to google that helps a lot.

pulseaudio is still worse than useless

Yes. You just have to yank that shit out and put esound back in for all your sound to work; there's no better solution, near as I can tell.

I think what puts alot of people off is the "work in progress" feeling.

holy shit ubuntu in a vmware player rocks

Unity is really really really really fucking horrible.

I have no problem with people changing interfaces and doing new things (especially in Linux, possibly the stuffiest most reactionary OS hivemind in existence) but THIS

I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu on my rubbish Acer Aspire netbook (currently running a funny version of Linux called Linpus which will not boot). Then I will be a proper nerd.

downloaded natty to try it in virtual box. 650M of iso. it then reads more files from network as it installs (language files for 1000 languages i don't speak). then the second thing it does is pop up Update Manager and ask for another 200M of downloads.

(the first thing it does is tell me i don't have the hardware needed to run Unity, probably as it's inside VirtualBox)

Oh, Linpus!

-xpost-

the first thing it does is tell me i don't have the hardware needed to run Unity, probably as it's inside VirtualBox

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/how-to-test-ubuntu-1104-with-unity-in.html

yeah, that's exactly what i was reading. but no dice, even after updating everything.

think unity is just forcing people to do what i've been doing for a while now - i run everything fullscreen and alt-tab between them. desktop icons are redundant (are always behind stuff) so i add everything as a top-level menu item or icon to task bar. and i also use vertical menus on left and right as screen is a lot wider than it is tall (this breaks some things though, like notification areas and window lists).

am curious, but in no real rush to upgrade my laptop - am using 10.4 LTS. and i already triple boot it between vista, jaunty and lucid (and fedora something).

I don't mind the concept of Unity, it's not being able to find stuff. Took me ages to work out how to make the icons in that bar thing a reasonable size (turns out that was a hack).

My laptop is a single-boot 10.04 (fuck windows) and has been since, well, 10.04, but I don't think I can be arsed putting 11.04 on there. Everything works as it is.

http://digitizor.com/2011/04/28/after-installing-ubuntu-11-04/ says:

"Note: Unity does not work with the proprietary ATI Graphics Cards driver. It does, however, work with the open source driver. The light weight Unity 2D works with ATI's proprietary drivers though."

which might explain it. will try it tomorrow.

oh dear

i just upgraded to 10.10 and i figured i'd stay there at least till unity gets ironed out.

unity-2d is downloading a bunch of qt related stuff... and mysql client... odd.