great momus theory
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
i ordered this book btw, wallenstein is mentioned in the book on weber i just read
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Fwiw coffee shop world is after 30yw. Only getting underway in the 50s iirc.
hipsters make some sense in late c17th/early 18th. Younger sons of Norfolk squires who have written a play and know someone who knows Addison.
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
mad jack mytton, regency rake -- he's a bit late, but i will pass up no opportunity to acquaint the world with his works
― mark s, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh man that guy is a hero
― encarta it (Gukbe), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
Worth looking up Radio 4, Misha Glenny series "The invention of Germany", which begins, appropriately enough, in the 30 years war. Some interesting tidbits:
In memory of Gustavus Aldophus German children are still chastised with the threat of the Swedes. eg. "If you don't go to sleep the Swedes will get you"
Fredrick I of Prussia was more Polish than German, Prussian nationalism's affinity for germany was, in part a move to distance Prussia from feudal obligations to Polish Kings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016btb4
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
Berlin gets its name from a slavic word for lake.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:19 (twelve years ago) link
DAMMIT
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:26 (twelve years ago) link
totally want the relatable everyman character in the HBO series to be a fledgling reporter
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:32 (twelve years ago) link
or barista, obv
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 October 2011 12:50 (twelve years ago) link
he should be a courier obv
― mark s, Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:14 (twelve years ago) link
and a potman
He can invent the exposé - just a thuringian broadsheet-writer-for-hire who's meant to be covering the birth of a two-headed lamb, but uncovers a Bavarian secret treaty with France.
― you don't exist in the database (woof), Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
when i get back to the smiley project, i should add in a bit about the writer smiley is doing a monograph on, who seems to be a german diplomatic envoy, from around this time, who writes up his travels (i'm on a train at the moment so can't look it up) (or even move, the student beside me is lolling in his sleep)
― mark s, Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
lolling or lol-ing?
― goole, Thursday, 27 October 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
the copy i'm reading is a 1961 penguin (v.early pelican imprint): it has a callot collage on the cover, in blue and pink, and the pages are nice and old and furry-feeling
it is very funny
― mark s, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
The Death of Wallenstein, by Fredrich Schiller -
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/6787
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 November 2011 12:18 (twelve years ago) link
The Piccolomini
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/6786
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 November 2011 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
I think I voted already: Frederick V - he thought he could win, with magic.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Friday, 11 November 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
SPOILERS
just reached the bit where one of the many christians* gets thrown from a horse 80 feet down from the battlements and another dies aged 28, his "vitals gnawed by a giant worm"
END SPOILERS
*name not denomination
― mark s, Monday, 14 November 2011 10:14 (twelve years ago) link
"If one considers the expense on this occasion and wants to reduce it so that it can be afforded for a long time, it should be replied that great emergencies have no rule; that it is not a question of an expense that will last for many years; but that if, in order to remedy the present evil, one fails to make an extraordinary expenditure now, it will be necessary to make one in the future -- though it would not then produce any result, nor prevent our ruin."
-- Cardinal Richelieu to Louis XIII, Sept 6 1634
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 10:12 (twelve years ago) link
voted john george
John George... has been known to sit at table gorging homely foods and swilling native beer for seven hours on end, his sole approach at conversation to box his dwarf's ears, or pour the dregs of a tankard over a servant's head as a signal for more.
― skrill xx (cozen), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh no I haven't read this all the way through yet!
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 17 August 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Disappointed this poll didn't run for 29 more years.
― Shepton Mullet (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 17 August 2012 10:14 (twelve years ago) link
so is wedgwood definitely a better bet than wilson?
― ogmor, Friday, 17 August 2012 12:40 (twelve years ago) link
i think so
if wilson is at your library give it a try but it's dry. he just isn't an engaging writer imo
― hail dayton (brownie), Friday, 17 August 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
Piet Pieterszoon Hein was robbed u cocks.
― Matt DC, Friday, 17 August 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
we have this book in our library! *borrows book*
Great thread, this one...
― Neil S, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
this is pretty breezy reading, considering
― caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
it was a pretty breezy war
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
it was a helluva war
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
some called it the "war of a lifetime"
for some, their lifetime WAS the war of a lifetime, because they were born after 1618 and died before 1648
legend has it that the phrase "put up your dukes" was coined during the thirty years war, after one nobleman, after hearing tell of the maiming of an enemy duke, said "gather anew thy dukes of replacement, for we shall battle again as soon as it stops raining"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
re: economics and bottom-up social business upthread, she does start after protestantism has been firmly entrenched across parts of europe. my thumbnail understanding was that war broke out right away after the reformation but duh there was a generation or two in between. it's during the period of protestant emergence when socio/demo/economic type questions are really interesting imo.
interestingly she does touch -- breezily! -- on intersecting questions of demographics, money and technology when explaining why most of the armies of this period were mecernaries
― caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
retroactively it was briefly named "world war -I", and historians referred to it as such for a time in the late 1940s to mid 1950s, until the popular re-release of the wedgwood book returned the name "thirty years war" to popularity
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
elector frederick, whatta dope!
― goole, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link
rereading right now: seems all too grimly apt suddenly :(
i actually think she does touch on the element tracer was missing, abt the cultural dimension, in the first chapter -- if only to say that its salience was small relatively small (i'll go back and have a closer look)
― mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link
Can't believe Wallenstein got only one vote.
― sarahell, Saturday, 19 November 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
fans of both the 30 years war and The Sot Weed Factor (and indeed Don Quixote) may want to dip into this. Written in 1669 about a naif who wanders about the horrors of the 30YW.
http://rbsche.people.wm.edu/teaching/grimmelshausen/
The officer bade them dig on stoutly. And presently they came to a cask, which they burst open, and therein found a fellow that had neither nose nor ears, and yet still lived. He, when he was somewhat revived, and had recognized some of the troop, told them how on the day before, as some of his regiment were a-foraging, the peasants had caught six of them. And of these they first of all, about an hour before, had shot five dead at once, making them stand one behind another; and because the bullet, having already passed through five bodies, did not reach him, who stood sixth and last, they had cut off his nose and ears, yet before that had forced him to render to five of them the filthiest service in the world* . But when he saw himself thus degraded by these rogues without shame or knowledge of God, he had heaped upon them the vilest reproaches, though they were willing now to let him go. Yet in the hope one of them would from annoyance send a ball through his head, he called them all by their right names: yet in vain. Only this, that when he had thus chafed them they had clapped him in the cask here present and buried him alive, saying, since he so desired death they would not cheat him of his amusement. ...
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 November 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link
george smiley reads grimmelshausen!! (i think his academic studies were in medieval german)
― mark s, Saturday, 19 November 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
rereading
― mark s, Sunday, 28 January 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
p certain he comes up in wolfgang kayser’s v good the grotesque in art and literature, which is v strong on the “german” 17th century groteske. see ask adam tooze’s powerpoint for the thirty year’s war, a lecture in his current series on germany and war
― Fizzles, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
battle of the white mountain not how i imagined it from wedgwood
― Fizzles, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria
He banned dancing and anyone under the age of 55 from using a horse and carriage, paid his servants a pittance, "his meanness a byword in Europe". lol, I couldn't vote for this one in good conscience.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 09:26 (six years ago) link
that PowerPoint is fabulous but ironically I'm too wrapped up in China this year to have time for Wedgwood or Wilson
― hard to be a spod (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link
I like Tooze's books on the Nazi economy and the tumultuous "Deluge" of the interwar period. His twitter is always good value as well.
― calzino, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link
i didn't vote bcz polls are bad and you should feel bad: however i have a fondness for johann tserclaes count of tilly as he shares a name w/my niece
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
In 1619 the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was truly massive! https://t.co/5Nc4669zIm pic.twitter.com/QShLEhFH2P— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) January 30, 2018
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:42 (six years ago) link
also i realised i have a residual fondness for gustavus adolphus bcz purely he was mentioned in passing in an erich kästner book i enjoyed as a kid
(i think he appears in a dream, the book is in storage so i can't check)
― mark s, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 11:29 (six years ago) link