d-mac otm, is what I'm trying to say
― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)
If Leo is being incepted or was incepted, what was the idea? "You are a clever, guilt-ridden murderer"?
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
What if outside the dream Cobb is a Pittsburgh weatherman.
― pplains, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:06 (fourteen years ago)
xp not to do shutter island
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:14 (fourteen years ago)
yall shd watch Barry Lyndon tonight
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:17 (fourteen years ago)
me too!! we had to google it after we saw it to work out how it actually ended!! Still not sure.....
― conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
I think these 2 movies leave a certain degree of interpretation. The purpose is to make you feel unsettled!
I'll stick with comedy and chick flicks for a while - I think it was all a dream xxx
yeah at least kubrick knew his leading man was a no-charisma blank
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:19 (fourteen years ago)
i think we get the idea that conrad is massively more intelligent than the chicks he's c/ping or parodying or w/vs
― lex pretend, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:30 (fourteen years ago)
fucking moron
oh fuck off you arsehole
― conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
...
what just happened
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)
the bump
― conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:32 (fourteen years ago)
i know, just as well as you do, s1ocki, that deadpan and airless are not the same. potato/potato.
in a nutshell, i found inception unfun and monotonous. the emotional pulse read (to me) as flat. it's just that - like the rest of nolan's movies - the band of psychological expression seems to swing only between 'bereaved' and 'dogged obsession'
― turkey in the straw (x2) (remy bean), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:33 (fourteen years ago)
people who complain about nolan's movies who have seen all of his movies: maybe you should stop watching his movies?
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:34 (fourteen years ago)
maybe you should start complaining about them?
― lol waggoner (am0n), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:36 (fourteen years ago)
I'd say he's about 50/50 good/bad, but he's not entirely uninteresting
― turkey in the straw (x2) (remy bean), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)
Guys if anyone thinks there are lots of "alternate angles" to Inception or anything to be theorized about, then you missed a boat. And by boat, I mean a plot that was spelled out.
I think i said this up thread, but there's a weird therapy/psychoanalysis theme going on. or maybe I'm nuts, but i sorta feel like there is. in that case, it's not so much Leo is being incepted, but that perhaps they are trying to get him to "wake up" from a dream he is still stuck in and thinks is real. they have to let him find that closure on his own, however they rig the situation for him to achieve it.
― ryan, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
remy OTM again
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
Inception. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooring
― conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:49 (fourteen years ago)
I can hardly see how somehow can call this "just" a heist movie, but if so, perhaps that underscores its pretensions and/or shortcomings, because surely "Inception" did not aspire to be "just" a heist film. I believe it is meant to be Somewhat Profound (TM).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:51 (fourteen years ago)
I am sick of talking about what this or any movie "wants" to be or "thinks" it is. Intentionality fallacy iirc
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:56 (fourteen years ago)
I'm just saying, clearly this movie sees itself as more than "just" a heist film is all. Which is why the conclusion hinges not on the big job, but on Leo's subconscious state of mind.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:58 (fourteen years ago)
The heist is the MacGuffin, albeit a MacGuffin that takes up 75% of the screen time.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
xxp
true, a lot of the hate is due either to to the fans or the intentionality fallacy. it doesn't work in the way i think people imagine nolan wants it to work. that's fine, as long as it works in some other way, e.g. as action, heist movie or a human drama or whatever. but it doesn't.
― caek, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:59 (fourteen years ago)
I think it works as an amazing Christmas movie
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)
i think its reasonable to say some of the problems are because of the kind of movie nolan wanted to make, without committing a critic's fallacy
― caek, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
The movie is about a dude who blames himself for his wife's death to the point where he is a danger to his coworkers and himself. The heist is a framework used to tell that story.
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
But it wants to be an Epiphany movie
― mark s, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:01 (fourteen years ago)
Inception is the ultimate Purim thrill ride
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:02 (fourteen years ago)
i actually think the rest of Nolan's movies are pretty much immaculately constructed, in that thinky-winky kinda way he favors. and everything about this one certainly feels like it's very deliberate.
but i think, even if you buy into the therapy angle im pushing, if the action scenes and all the rest are boring then the movie is still a failure, if a more interesting one.
one thing i did really love about the last 20 mins or so was taking the DW Griffith style of cross-cutting to amazing extremes.
― ryan, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:05 (fourteen years ago)
how does a film see itself
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
I like all his other movies, tbh. Well, not the second half of Batman Begins, but all the others, pretty much. Just not this one so much.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:07 (fourteen years ago)
as much as you like it (and i do too), it's a pretty tall order to call the 'insomnia' remake 'immaculate'
― turkey in the straw (x2) (remy bean), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)
Oh I never saw that one. I stand corrected.
― ryan, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:09 (fourteen years ago)
I think I like his movies best when it's just his characters going "I think I'm gonna do this and this and this"
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
I like his characters best when it's his movie going "I think I'm gonna do this and this and this"
― mark s, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:12 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah, man, of all the weird sarcastic responses: "Inception" is full of non-stop exposition. And shooting.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:14 (fourteen years ago)
"Insomnia" is still pretty good, iirc.
Like, "I think I'm gonna do this and this and this" might have been the movie's working title.
"Nuthin' But An 'Inception' Thang"
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)
Insomptionia
― lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:17 (fourteen years ago)
At least "Insomnia" didn't have to explain itself in real time.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:18 (fourteen years ago)
most movies explain themselves in real time, it's generally how one understands them
― do not wake the dragon (DJP), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
you're thinking of television news dan
― caek, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:22 (fourteen years ago)
I wasn't being sarcastic, I love "planning" scenes, they r usually more fun than the heist itself
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:13 (fourteen years ago)
* rolls out blueprints of the bank on the table *
― turkey in the straw (x2) (remy bean), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:14 (fourteen years ago)
totes
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:15 (fourteen years ago)
ocean's 11 vs inception
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:16 (fourteen years ago)